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Editado por Ebagged:
5/18/2016 3:55:54 PM
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The fact that these players can continually adapt to the meta of the game, be it using a doctrine/mida/thorn/tlw/shotty/sniper IS their skill. Blaming a player for using a viable gun makes you no better/smarter of a person than choosing to use some hippy shit just because you want to have fun.
Believing a gun is "OP" is a compensation because players simply can't hang in FPS games. You really don't need any other explanation...no flow chart...nothing.
*this is to everyone crying below
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Adopting the meta isn't a skill. In less than 5 minutes you can identify weapons with the lowest ttk and the best gear/subclass for your character of choice. It literally takes no more "skill" than my kid using google to find out who sang that song he heard on the radio. TTK charts are the new cheat code book of Destiny competitive FPS. The top 100 is a joke. It's nothing more than a measure of who can use the meta better. This is why Destiny will never be respected by the actual competitive ESports community.
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you forget one important aspect........ skill. The top 100 are basically just the ones that play the most.... but they are all good. The person with the most skill adapts to the meta the fastest amd does the best.
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The meta is a crutch that actual skilled players don't need.
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Editado por Kornby: 5/18/2016 5:48:57 PMthat is a weak excuse that the forums use to justify why people are not as good. People think that they are elite because they do ok with different weapons. In trials nobody goes in with crap weapons and dominates full cards regularily. edit: unless they are pub stomping with 3 elite players
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And that's the mentality the unskilled use to justify their need for the meta to compete. Look, we can go around and around on this all day. My point is: meta user =/= skilled player. If you can't let go of your Doctrine/Hawksaw/TLW out of fear that you won't perform as well then you just aren't as good as you think you are.
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Editado por Kornby: 5/18/2016 9:25:13 PMyour last games you used a hawksaw and your warlock had a pdx-45 equipped... kinda hypocritical. You cry meta crutch while you use them yourself!! To find out how good you are you must use meta weapons. But i dont know why this is still an argument.... the meta is as even as it has ever been... fusions, shottys, snipers are all good.... hugh rate pulse, scout, high rate autos, and hand cannons are all good... btw.... you are not a stud no matter how many excuses you have for your statistics. That is all this is.... an excuse for your statistics. In the end who cares about statistics.... its a game. To spend time making up excuses for your stats while you are using the crutches anyway is pretty weak. Dont say it isnt an excuse either....
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Editado por TaeKwonSquatchy: 5/18/2016 9:43:39 PMIt's not surprising that when someone is failing at an argument they skew a larger picture. It's like cutting out only the piece of a cloth that suits your argument without considering the whole rug. My last game was in challenge of elders. The PDX45 is the only weapon I have with hidden hand on it, which increases the crit zone and the challenge is for critical kills. With the lag I was experiencing last night playing with my friends, that extra little bit helped to get a score of nearly 50k to close out the card. Nothing hypocritical about it. But see, you're an ignorant little twat who digs only deep enough to find the evidence he thinks he needs. The only person in this argument that is putting value on stats is you, and that's a piss poor way to take on my premise. You'd be better equipped to take on my argument if you weren't so busy with the straw man. Tell you what, find my stats across the different accounts I play, consoles I play on, and games I compete in, then maybe you'll have some authority to argue stats. In the end, I pity you and anyone delusional enough to think their bloated stats afforded by meta abuse in a game that's laughed at by the competitive community is any measure of real skill. Face it, kid. You'd be humiliated in any number of shooters that actually require skill to play. Time to mute you and move on.
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your last game of crucible you used a hawksaw. That is as deep as i needed to dig. Your whole argument is based around the fact that you think you are awesome. You think you are such an amazing player. FYI..... you are average I dug deep enough to notice you were crying about weapons while using them. Now relax.
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Editado por Ebagged: 5/18/2016 10:44:00 PMThe games you compete in? Rofl. Let me get this straight, you'll use data that isn't credible to further your point? But the data that does exist, for the related game present in this argument, isn't credible? Hilarious logic.
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Editado por Hiro: 5/18/2016 5:12:29 PMAlmost any competitive fps is about who can use the meta better, lmao. I watched a COD esports tourney recently and everyone was using the same 2 guns and load outs. It's really nothing new, only salty people continue to complain about it really.
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Precisely.
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Editado por TaeKwonSquatchy: 5/18/2016 5:25:20 PMSomeone needs an education. ESports limits what weapons are available to use in order to keep a level playing field. It's not that they chose between a small pool of weapons because those are the best, it's a small pool of weapons that are deemed most [i]balanced[/i] for competitive play. Try looking up a rule book sometime before sounding off about things you don't understand, kid. Edit for clarity: in most cases the weapons available for competitive play [i]aren't[/i] the best in the game. Sponsored competition players often have to handicap themselves in pub matches to practice with accepted weapons and gear.
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In esports they do not put limits on the weapon pool besides restricting guns/tools that may be broken and completely unbalanced at the time. Generally, the players have most of the weapons available for use. Again using COD as an example, when bo3 first came out the vesper had a ridiculous ttk so they banned it from tourney play until it was fixed. Just about everything else was still available for the players to use, however they still only used the same two or three guns not because they were told to, but because they knew those were the most viable/competitive choices.
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[url=http://esport-battlefield.com/ruleset/]Expand your mind[/url] Esports absolutely bans unbalanced weapons and tools from competitive play. The only options left represent a balanced portion of the game's available options. Meaning, in the higher tear of players one is expected to be able to be just as effective with any weapon from that pool. This same argument couldn't be stated when looking at the top and bottom 5 used weapons in Destiny
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You only proved my point by having a low kd and w/l. And no, this game will never be competitive because you cannot rely on rng to facilitate an equal playing field. You have utterly no idea what you're talking about and I'm asking you to stop, for your sake.
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Typical tryhard that can't form an actual defense to my point so instead attacks stats. *yawn* You literally have no idea how ignorant you seem when that's all you can do.
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Actually my argument is sound, and fully backed by your response as well as the factual evidence of your stats as a witness. Bad players complain, (as well as use fallacies to promote their own argument) [quote]yawn[/quote]
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Again with the stats? Someone lacks confidence in their argument. Tool identified and muted. PM me when you grow up and can hold your own in a real argument.
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Editado por Ebagged: 5/18/2016 10:37:30 PMConfidence in an argument? Is that all you have? I wasn't aware this was an ad hominem convention, bro. Don't talk to me about arguing when you can't even form a proper rebuttal. Side note, love the attempt at trying to seem like you're an intellectual. It's been done before by lesser minds, the way you respond to forum posts is by no means unique....as you would say meta-ish. Didnt you say something about relying on the meta was a crutch?
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Editado por Ebagged: 5/18/2016 5:28:18 PMWrong on everything. Esports players use the BEST weapons/loadouts, you can't seriously argue that. Let me pour some diarrhea of intelligence down your throat. If one player is using a hawksaw with headseeker but no other player can get that roll, is it fair? No. Therefore a shooter game reliant on rng can never be competitive. Compare this to advanced warfare, where loot had altered stats, same concept.
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More ignorant dribble. Esports routinely bans unbalanced weapons from competitive play. Players are never in a position to have to chose between a weapon pool of such large disparity as there is in Destiny. RNG isn't nearly as big a factor as you make it seem because every player has access to the available weapons in that every weapon can be earned by everyone and perk rolls only move the meter on each weapon a negligible amount for highly skilled players. Here, do some research before showing off how little you know in your next response: [url=http://bfy.tw/5pP8]Unless you'd rather take the blue pill. [/url]
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Honestly watching you fiercely argue back defending a point that simply is impossible to defend is rather hilarious. ESport players in other games [b]do use the strongest weapons.[/b] You do realise that in 'competitive destiny' things are banned as well. The blatantly overpowered and stupid things. Sounds like other games as well. (And the black ops 3 system allows the players to ban an item each) and in games where bans were set by a committee, weapons themselves are very rarely banned. And destiny truly can't be competitive with RNG, the other guy was completely in the right when he said that. How is it competitive that my longbow is able to have more aim assist and scope in faster than my opponents? How is that competitive by any means? Why is it fair that my hawksaw has less recoil than my opponents? The last thing RNG is, is competitive.
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The hilarity here is that you're a day late in joining a conversation to which you have nothing new to contribute and yet you still felt inclined to post your two cents. Nothing to see here, folks. Just another attention whore in need of muting.
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Typical forum roamer who can't come up with any sort of an argument so then proceeds to 'muting'.
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You keep using the word unbalanced. And yet they allow ars and smg's that kill faster in other games in comparison to destiny. Scouts and AR's that kill in two to three bullets to the head? And yet those are "balanced" but not a 2 to three bullet kill from a last word? Destiny has modest TTK across all weapons compared to a game like COD, if not on par with them. Competitive shooters ban the blatantly obvious not the over powered. Usually guns that kill in one burst at multiple ranges, high range explosives. You can't be arguing about competitive if you've never played, sonny. You're clearly a spectator.
