Opening Doors: Convelance Duty, Plan C, Raid rocket Totems: Convelance Duty, 1KYS, Raze Lighter War Priest: Convelance Duty, 1KYS, Sleeper Sim Golgoroth: Convelance Duty, Black Spindle, Raid HMG Daughters: ToM, 1KYS, Raid rocket Oryx: ToM, 1KYW, Raid HMG

The only thing you NEED for kingsfall is a sniper. You could NLB and 1000yrd the whole raid and speed run it at the same time. People who run t.o.m and b.s. exclusive raids dont know any better cause all they do is rely on crutches. Are the b.s. and t.o.m. great exotics to ise during portions of the raid? Of course. But saying any of those are necessary is plain lazy and ignorant.

more importantly, don't use a rocket launcher, ffs.

Instead of black spindle, what about a 1k Stare with Triple Tap and Mulligan and Sleeper Simulant?

Makes me cringe when i see people listing must have requirements in the raid recruitment thread and stuff like that, it's all ridiculous. If you are truly good enough and know what you're doing doesn't matter what weapon load out you use, of course along as your not running in there with a 170 Thorn...aslong as it's sensible weapons. People saying touch of malice is a must, wrong. black spindle is a must have, wrong. I beat the hard raid with my friends as a 6 when we were all around 305 when it first came out, give or take a few levels and it was pretty easy, using 0 toM or BS, we all mostly had scout and pulse rifles for PVP. Not because we're all super amazing, we're just skilled at this game (play mostly pvp) and know what needs to be done at each part, plus we communicate really well together. The most important things when doing a raid with people aren't light level or weapons, it's 1-Players actual skill at the game 2-Knowledge of the game 3-Ability to effectively communicate Having said all that, having better weapons and gear is always a big help and when your playing with randoms recruited from the forum it's difficult to gauge how good somebody actually is without browsing there profile. So people are often reduced to numbers to analyse another players, e,g just inviting players in based on light level. But my tips for weapons; Primary, RED DEATH. Every kill it heals you...if you aren't the most skilled of players this is such a good way to help yourself, there are thrall everywhere on every stage of the raid, plus it does good damage and impact, give it a try. Secondary,1000 YARD STARE. Best sniper in the game, buy it from the vanguard, does excellent damage and with mulligan and field scout helps you stock ammo (wear armour that allows you to carry more secondary too). Any sniper is always the best option for killing mini bosses in the raid or champions, if you don't have this just use whatever sniper you can headshot easily with and you will be fine. Heavy,THE TRUTH. To be honest I never really used heavy much on the raid anyway, but if you are going to use a heavy rocket launchers do the most burst damage. Any launcher with proxy or tracking is a must, used properly makes killing knights on Oryx so easy.

Iam 335 on 2 characters still no black spindle lol . Never actually tried it with a team

If you bring a shotgun to a raid with no sniper im going to boot you If your only heavy is dreadfang im gonna kick you

You don't need BS/ToM. They are just the easy button for the Raid. Sleeper beats out everything for DPS.

You only beat kings fall 7 times. Lol

Black spindle probaly the worst sniper in the game its handy for golgy and thats it you dont need it you dont need tom this is what divides the community. What you need is raid understanding and skill, this trumps what weapon you have in your hand anyday...the amount of people i see with these weapons and yet still no idea how to raid... guns dont make you a raider at all ....knowledge does.. just my 2 cents worth

People ask for ToMs and Spindles for two reasons: 1. For how those guns are used in the raid, they are a guarantee that the player is bringing so good firepower. You don't want some jackass using a 295 fusion rifle on bosses. 2. Those guns have to be earned through some challenging quests. It kind lets you know that the player you're getting is s dedicated Destiny player, who takes the game seriously. Side note: I don't ask any requirements when post cuz these days most are experts, and if you do get a flunkie a good 5 man team could carry him.

With regards to Black Spindle, the Sleeper Sim/Defiance of Yasmin combo actually yields the highest DPS in the game for weapon combos. Just putting that out there...

Amazing K/D....dies once for every nine kills. Good try though!!!

I never used tom or bs, and run Sunbreaker yet every time we see the dps numbers I'm right there between 2-4th every time and that's with me running aura on warpriest