Snipers ain't one shot to kill. Most don't, even Eirene with the the highest impact of any, and it's getting absurd to believe it's any one type of weapon that is owning. Here is a list of everything usable: Doctrine Hawksaw Last word Hawkmoon Conspiracy 1000yard Mida and jade (all scouts have always been balanced) Sidearms (to my those are pretty OP but I don't care) Fusions (mediocre but I have friends that wreck with them) So if you think about where the game is right now, it's never been more balanced. Quit trying to look for one weapon to blame. It's racist

Every other special weapon (except sidearms) have received multiple nerfs, except snipers. I wouldn't call the most recent changes made in the update nerfs to snipers. Ambush and short gaze when from 4.5 times zoom to 4.9. Longview went from 5 times zoom to 5.2. A slight reduction in overall zoom time to both snipers as a whole and snapshot is nothing compared to the overall changes of shotguns and fusions. This is why we have a sniper META. When you nerf something, the community typically moves to the weapon class that hasn't been touched.

1) Shotguns [b]are still effective[/b], and currently balanced. 2) Mida is still perfectly viable, but you can't play god and give people seizures. 3) Fusions are in a good spot. 4) Thorn was brutally over powered with it's 2-tap capability. If you don't think so, you should have seen me use one. [spoiler]I hated using Thorn, but it was the only counter to another Thorn.[/spoiler] 5) Pulse rifles are in a good place. The way I see it, you're butthurt because of your weapons getting nerfed. Maybe you should "adapt". [spoiler]I hate people who say "git gud", or "adapt", but for crying out loud, read in between the lines.[/spoiler]

The only way to effectively balance the game is buff TTK on all primaries equally so we can counter special weapons effectively without destroying the raid and nerf some more weapons.

Here's why we have Sniper meta: Sandbox Designer Jon Weirznewski was killed by a running shotgunner when aiming down his sights, he was ticked off and decided to make shotguns unusable in crucible, thereby destroying the balance between sniping and CQC Because Jon Weirznewski man, Jon...Weirz...Newski...

Snipers are still broken as hell. I'm over her doing everything I'm supposed to do as a shotgunner: watching corners, staying in close quarters, not going into sniper lanes when BAM a sniper rounds the corner, just out of shotgun range for a one hit kill and snipes me with an easy head shot. He leaves the match with a sliver of health and proves once again that snipers make better shotguns than a party crasher +1.

when shot while ADS should pull you out of your scope, solves a lot of issues

Snipers have never been hard to use. They have always been able to quick scope easily and have been effective at close to medium ranges. The fact that they go down the middle every time, don't flinch at all when shot by anything, and have aim assist that triggers when you start ADS makes them OP. You also say that it had counters in Y1. These hard hitting weapons (Thorn, Mida) where hard hitting in all gunfights, not just against snipers. Thorn would hit people when aiming 3 ft away from them and kill in 2 shots. This weapon could also hit at sniper ranges causing this to be like what snipers are now. Mida was OP because of all of its stats excelling, the added side to side sprint while ADS, and heavy hitting impact rounds. The weapon was better than every weapon with its stats, added agility that made enemies find it hard to actually hit you, adding stagger rounds to the mix, and while all of this makes getting hit near impossible, the weapon has very high aim assist and accuracy stats. Now that these OP weapons are balanced (Mida pretty much only got a napkin put in front of its barrel), Snipers are still reigning supreme. They have close range scopes and have no problem competing and dominating close range and medium range gunfights against primaries. One proposal could be to make the minimum magnification be 10x. Snipers are meant for long range gun fights and not to be used at close range. Extending the range would make it easier to snipe at range, but making it extremely difficult to snipe at close range. There would still be a problem with quick scoping, but it would eliminate the problem of short range hard scoping while also buffing long range sniping. Even so, there are so many different solutions to the close range sniping problem, but the problem still persists after 1.5 years. Something needs to be done because literally everybody can effectively snipe at close range. Don't believe me? Go check the stats for weapons used. Mida is the top primary and 1000yrd is the top secondary. And it's not by just a few, it's a complete blowout. Everyone and their brother use snipers because it's way too easy. Just increase the amount of effort it takes to snipe and it won't be a problem. Look what has been done to Shotguns and Fusion Rifles (No I'm not just a person who doesn't snipe, I use whatever I feel like at the time). They used to be OP and took no effort just like snipers. Now, Shotguns take a lot of effort to use (except when camping in a corner) and Fusions even more. Even the Sidearms are in competition with Shotguns and Fusions. Snipers are a problem and need to be fix, it's as simple as that. I'm seriously going to laugh when people start commenting and saying "You main a Hunter" (completely false; look how much time I have played on the other 2), "just don't run into sniping lanes" (who are we kidding, everywhere is a sniping lane; they can be effectively used at close and medium range), "You are stupid/scrub/{name here}" (My favorite). If you're going to argue, at least provide something other than bias and "I know what I'm talking about"

Lyudmila- D counterbalance, headseeker, hand laid stalk two burst kill at long range. Lyudmila may be ordered this week but only for a few more hours. I am not a Hakke representative.

In short, it's time to nerf Sniper Rifles to bring them in line with everything else Bungie has adjusted. Bungie has no plans to bring primary TTK down, or allow Fusion Rifles/Shotguns to snipe people anymore.

Can we all agree we need a full auto, very low impact shotgun on a rifle chassis? Range of pre 2.0, three shot kill. And mag size of Lord of wolves? It would be fun, right?

Yep, snipers are not a problem. It's most of the weapons that were good at countering them have been nerfed or left in year 1. I just cannot understand why Bungie nerfed high caliber rounds on Mida. It worked great on snipers.