no shit? [b]no nade can kill you on their own [/b][u]unless [/u]you were already damaged except for trip mines sticking to you, [u]if you run low armor[/u], or scatter grenades practically being right on top of you. CAN YOU READ?! it still doesn't change the fact that they are the best grenades because of how good they track and will get you 1 shot.

All warlock grenades can kill you without any other damage except axion bolt and firebolt Vortex and scatter grenades can kill you on their own with no outside damage. Solar and fusion grenades can kill you on their own with no outside damage. Axion bolt and firebolt can't kill you without outside damage. Just because they get you to one shot doesn't mean they're the best. Any grenade that hits you will make you one shot if it doesn't kill you.

[quote]All warlock grenades can kill you without any other damage except axion bolt and firebolt[/quote] wrong. ever heard of arcbolt? [quote]Axion bolt and firebolt can't kill you without outside damage. Just because they get you to one shot doesn't mean they're the best. Any grenade that hits you will make you one shot if it doesn't kill you. [/quote] I know they can't but it doesn't defeat the fact that they're the best nades in crucible and firebolt being the best. people aren't about to stand in those nades and die and vortex only works well with wombo combo but most nightstalkers run voidwall. I'm done talking here though. you really expect me to take you serious when you're running sunbreakers and not even scraping positive a match?

I completely forgot about arcbolt, but still, 6 out of the nine warlock grenades can kill you. If firebolt and axion bolt are so good, why do I never get killed by them? Out of the several hours of grinding IB last night I could count the amount of times I was killed by them on one hand. They are easy to avoid and if you do get hit you probably won't die.

[u]firebolt[/u] -leaves you out of the fight so you can't fight back without getting killed -tags up to 3 people, leaving them all burning and weak for more than 10 seconds( you can easily wipe a whole team off one nade if they're close to each other) -can track around corners and through walls - you can literally throw a firebolt down in a gunfight and still win [u] axion bolts[/u] -tag more than one person -track around corners and follow the target -does massive damage -throw the nade in the enemies general direction and chances are you'll easily win the gunfight or get a postmortem these grenades are the best because they're guaranteed to get you a kill or make your opponent not engage. no proper aim is required and these nades are not easily escapable like ever other nade. the nades you mentioned are for PvE (vortex/solar) so them killing a guardian isn't likely to happen. [quote]Out of the several hours of grinding IB last night I could count the amount of times I was killed by them on one hand. They are easy to avoid and if you do get hit you probably won't die.[/quote] that is because you're playing 6v6. I don't get affected by them that much either as if I was playing 3s but last night I played almost a full warlock sunsinger team and I couldn't rush like normally because I would just get tagged by firebolt each time.