The problem with SBMM in Destiny is that it punishes players that take the time to get better at the game. The higher up the skill ladder you are the less players there are up there with you. Less players mean longer search times and also laggier games. How does this cause laggy games? you may ask. Simple, less players in the search pool means less acceptable player connections for the system to choose from. It would much rather grab a player of equal skill from Zimbabwe than a player of good connection of lesser or greater skill. Sometimes the system can't find anyone to match them with, so the skill search broadens as the game searches and they may end up with you(that's why it may feel it may have been removed in favor of CBMM.) (All of this happens to new players as well, not many players have stats bad enough that it would equal 0.0 on everything.) On the contrary the casual/majority of players have a ton of players amongst their skill level so the system has the luxury of finding good connections and quickly at that. When someone asks me what weapons they should be using and how would they go about becoming better, you know what I tell them? I tell them it's not worth it, that they are better off becoming worse at the game. That their time invested will only bite them in the ass. You realize how backwards that sounds? Is that what the developers and the community truly want for the game?

Yes please. Bring back SBMM.

This post ended up a lot longer than I expected. Please have patience and read it all. I was going to post a pro-sbmm post but was glad to see someone beat me to it. Unfortunately, you got some facts wrong The match making is still sbmm. It has been watered down quite a bit since it was first implemented (i.e. the skill bands have been broadened to each player pool is bigger in an attempt to reduce matchmaking times and lag). This has meant that there is a wider range of skills in each match which can lead to one-sided games and stomping but we still have a match making system that has a large sbmm element to it The real cbmm was in year 1. This was terrible for learning maps and learning techniques as you could go for more than a few seconds without someone way above your skill level (probably not even top tier) shotgunning you or getting head shot by a hand cannon Sbmm let me (and a lot of other below average players) learn the maps and learn techniques. You get better against people of similar skill levels and then move up against people of higher skill level. This is the way people can actually improve. Cbmm was "sweaty" for below average players and sbmm is more relaxed and allows people to play and learn without getting frustrated and quitting (sbmm is not sweaty for everyone). I quit pvp early in vanilla Destiny and didn't go back to the crucible again until January this year because it wasn't worth my time to go there just to help other people get their 5 kds at my expense I now enjoy pvp. I accept that that something had to be done to reduce the lag for the more skilled players so I accept (but not necessarily like) the changes to sbmm match making so far but NO FURTHER About lag: Why is it that lag increases with increasing skill levels? There is almost no lag in the lower tiers of pvp play in sbmm but it gradually increases as you move up through the skill levels. It's not just the top 1%; it starts way before that and gets worse. Things people do that increase lag: Play in fireteams. This makes any connection-based matchmaking useless when you jump into games with a group with people spread all over the world (or even close to you with different levels of connection) Stream, watch Netflix, watch other streams. This could be in the background while playing or just in the wait between games. This is when matchmaking is taking place and increasing your network usage during this time will screw up matchmaking and could lead to you (or others) in the match lagging Play at stupid times of the night. Don't expect to be matched with local players at 3am when the majority of people playing will be on a different continent. Final thing (not the fault of the majority of players), people who deliberately lag end up in the upper tiers in sbmm. This really concentrates all the crap and means that (for skilled players) the chances of getting a match with a laggers is a lot higher with sbmm than with cbmm Anyway, there are things that we can do and Bungie can do (sort out the deliberate laggers) that can reduce the effects of lag in the crucible and help sbmm work without Bungie playing with settings again. If you aren't willing to help, it's your own fault when you get laggy matches so don't come back to the forums whining. Don't go posting about your super fast broadband and ultra-low ping times as its not the only thing that will affect matchmaking.

Wtf is this CBMM you speak of??? I get put with ultra sweaty Mexicans every round. Trials is a mega bitch unless I'm rolling with my god squad. I wish CBMM was a thing. I'm tired of Mexicans. I hope Donald Trump's wall blocks WiFi...

Wtf are u talking about.. Its still 100% sbmm

Wait what's sbmm and cbmm Skill and class? Also can someone tell me the difference between the two and how they are used to match make pvp games