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4/21/2016 9:53:36 PM
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The problem is that the flash is faster than instant (I know it is a little bullshit) but he would still be able to do restart the universe before the actually cut off from speed force takes effect. So after restarting universe. He could then run to earth in the future all before the cut off takes place, allowing him to live happily ever after without powers.
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[quote]The problem is that the flash is faster than instant (I know it is a little bullshit) but he would still be able to do restart the universe before the actually cut off from speed force takes effect. So after restarting universe. He could then run to earth in the future all before the cut off takes place, allowing him to live happily ever after without powers.[/quote] But you still have Manhattan left sitting in space. As you had even said he can cease to exist on a conceptual level. If he is destroyed physically he then reassembles himself with his atoms as someone had pointed out. Energy is never destroyed only changed to a different form. Also with the chance of being able to manipulate the speed force into his favor, Manhattan could use it against Wally and increase his own speed. Not that he would need to but yeah.
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Without the universe, there is no atoms are energy to create yourself back from. The reason that is aid he can cease to exist on a conceptual level is that when flash did this the first time, he was able to beat someone who can never die and come back from anything, similar to manhatten. He defeated death itself, by doing this. And when the big bang happened again, the flash didn't die as death no longer exists to allow him to die.
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[quote]Without the universe, there is no atoms are energy to create yourself back from. The reason that is aid he can cease to exist on a conceptual level is that when flash did this the first time, he was able to beat someone who can never die and come back from anything, similar to manhatten. He defeated death itself, by doing this. And when the big bang happened again, the flash didn't die as death no longer exists to allow him to die.[/quote] If. If he does die. Now when you say instant. The universe is absolutely humongous and is ever growing, you. Dexter Grif are saying that Flash can just instantly restart it..in an instant. No offense but that's a hyperbole if I've ever heard one. Now with that being said, Manhattan can theoretically start another Big Bang. As another user had mentioned. Also the instant the universe starts up, there are atoms and matter all around. Especially since energy is never destroyed only changed to a new form. Poof! All the magical scientific bs of Dr Manhattan returns. And is death an entity like it is in marvel or no? I don't see how flash wouldn't die after such an event
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It was death the concept with a body. The way I mean instant is that since flash is faster than instant he can do it an infinite number of times before anything moves in the slightest. There is no manhatten conscious left to recreate himself from as he no longer exists at all
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He resides in the 4th dimension. He presents a physical form of himself for us. Sorta like a hologram but not in a way. Again that is if restarting the universe removes that form of himself anyways. If not then, like I said before, he won't take long to visit Wally
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The 4th dimension is still a construct within our universal bounds. We just can't perceive it. The same way shrimp see much more colors, just because we don't see them doesn't mean they don't exist. So I assume it would destroy that form.
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Again if it can destroy him, which is the question that is honestly preventing a definitive answer for either lol. A question, can flash's speed be measured even with the current state he is in now?
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Yep, I guess it is either a win or a loss depending on the nature of the 4th dimension. And what do you mean by the state he is in.
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Just like how fast the flash is in. Can his speed still be measured. I've done a bit more digging into Manhattan and found something that could steer this fight in his direction
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His speed is technically infinite and can't be measured, as it is faster than infinite speed (teleporting)
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Well I don't know if this means a possible stalemate or a win but Dr Manhattan's thought processing is at infinitesimal speed. Meaning it cannot be measured in any way possible and as the name states, faster than infinity and faster than an instant. Now like I said I'm unsure whether this would cancel the two out or assist Manhattan in stripping the speed force from Wally and gaining the win but yeah
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I mean all that means is that they have the same ability to perceive information. They both have infinite perception, but infinitesimal doesnt mean faster than instant just very fast. So I think it still depends on what the 4th dimension is bound to
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That processing deals with how fast their train of thought is. Why I mentioned it was because yesterday you brought up that Flash could move faster than a thought but what if the thought was as fast or potentially faster than the flash? That's what I was asking is would it lead to a stalemate between the two or Manhattan getting away with stripping the speed force from Wally. Yet also even if he does I'd assume some part of the universe has changed albeit not enough to affect either in a huge way but again its something to consider as well now
