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4/15/2016 2:03:59 PM
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Here's the difference: PvE is easy, PvP... Well, isn't.
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PVE is also what the game is SUPPOSED to be. PVP was tacked on last minute 'for funsies'
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What an idiotic stance to take. BOTH game modes are supposed to be FUN. Continually PvE fun is lessened, or ruined, in the name of PvP balance, which never actually seems to improve their fun because there is always something new for them to complain about. Now I would take issue with my fun being sacrificed for your fun, but hey you can't make everyone happy. But there is no reason my fun should be sacrificed for absolutely nothing at all.
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Yeah, but pandering to whiners is not what Shax envisioned with PVP :). Pussies who bitch about OP guns should be banned from Crucible!
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You mean people who feel the game should be balanced? You're looking at it the wrong way there bud. If you think Thorn + Blink Shotgun shouldn't have been nerfed in year 1, you're either mental or delusional. Same goes for year2 Thorn, Sunsingers, Doctrine, etc.
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The game was more balanced at launch than it is now. Bungie should just reset PvE back to vanilla, after the pulse and shotgun buffs. My character feels weak as -blam!- compared to pre 2.0.
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The only thing that was OP at all before the first weapon tuning was the VEX. That's it, and as soon as they changed its hit recognition to that of an auto rifle instead of a fusion blast in PVP, that was corrected. Yep, blink shotguns, I saw em, and I hated em. But there was the Last Word, there was Suros, MIDA, Thorn, and if you had a PS4 there was the Hawkmoon. Shadow Price -blam!-ed the world of a ton of Blink Shotguns. Everyone bitched about Blink-Shotguns because they didn't understand to just back the -blam!- away and hammer em as they land. I got sniped or cross mapped a whole lot more by a -blam!-ing pistol than I did blink-shotguns. The weapon selections, were never more diverse than before their first weapon tuning. NEVER. Now everyone uses the same old shit, and shotguns are still the easiest in the game to learn and use... even still with Blink. It's just a shame everyone has to bitch about everything. One more point. If you thought it was OP... then you should have just learned to use the damn technique. I didn't even build a -blam!-ing hunter or warlock until after the first patch.
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Yeah, I honestly can't remember the last time I felt a real difference in what I was using in PvE, as long as it was properly leveled. Take Red Death for instance. It's amazing in most PvE encounters. I still wouldn't take it into the crucible after the big year two patch. All of that aside, I think for many (I'd hazard a guess and say [b]most[/b]) of the existing players the crucible is the true endgame; that's the place where shit always changes and the gameplay honestly has the most variety. So, in a lot of ways it makes sense for them to focus a lot of their attention on that area, especially in content droughts.
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It may be now but I know at the end of year one their numbers said less than 15% payed pvp regularly
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At the end of year one there were two raids, POE, and no three of coins,
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Yeah that's why I prefaced it, I don't know many people that regularly play crucible but given the fewer number of endgame activities I'm sure it went up
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Editado por Desiato: 4/15/2016 2:36:17 PMI know it likely boils down to pure personal preference, but from what I've played of PvE I honestly can't imagine the game maintaining that 85-15 split through today even with all of the activities somehow intact. I feel like that shit would just get repetitive.
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I would argue the same for PvP, but then we'd both argue back and forth. It's ok. You don't get why people enjoy PvE. I've never understood how people enjoy PvP, except for griefers and sociopaths. That's fine though, we can both have fun. Except Bungie doesn't get PvE either, and that is a serious problem.
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Editado por Desiato: 4/15/2016 3:19:04 PMGriefers and sociopaths? Haha ok. I understand why people enjoy PvE. I enjoy PvE just fine. You've missed my point.
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No, your point is the same garbage point of thousands of PvP players before you. That PvP is where the game is really exciting and dynamic, and so that's where Bungie should put their focus. Except no, you only think that because you're a PvP player.
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You went from zero to butthurt neckbeard in record time. Shocking. Firstly, I spoke only about the [i]existing[/i] playerbase. Secondly, I placed emphasis on PvP content in context of content drought. If you weren't in such a rush to be a smug, self-satisfied, snarky piece of shit that nuance wouldn't have been lost on you. In case you're still confused, I don't think Bungie should focus all of their energy on PvP. Now stop being an asshole.
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Editado por ArchangelLBC: 4/15/2016 4:48:25 PM[quote] All of that aside, I think for many (I'd hazard a guess and say [b]most[/b]) of the existing players the crucible is the true endgame; that's the place where shit always changes and the gameplay honestly has the most variety. So, in a lot of ways it makes sense for them to focus a lot of their attention on that area, especially in content droughts.[/quote] Let's see, you assumed that for most players, crucible is the true endgame. I expect if you are primarily a PvP player you would think that. You have no numbers or anything like real evidence to back that up. You base this not on the existing player base, or even the content drought, but rather that PvP is where "shit changes and the gameplay honestly has the most variety". You then conclude that because of this, it makes sense that they focus their attention on it. Then you finally mention a content drought as an afterthought, not as a primary cause. Please point out what nuance I'm missing.
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Editado por Desiato: 4/15/2016 5:10:27 PMUh, no shit I don't have evidence. I clearly said, "I think" and then "hazard a guess." Does that sound very scientific to you? You're absolutely right in that these are my assumptions. I'm not bungie; I don't have numbers and I never claimed to. If you're reading my posts expecting measured analytics then I'm too happy to disappoint. I'm making passive observations based on my time with the game. Finally: I said for [b]most [i]existing[/i] players[/b] my boy. The [i]existing[/i] players. Indicating many have left. The players that currently play the game are mostly playing the crucible because it offers more continually dynamic gameplay in the existing PvE drought; also for the die-hards that never played PvE to begin with. What would they be missing either way? One informs the other and it was the basis of my assessment. Clear enough? If you're still killing Atheon and Crota then good for you. Sounds like you sleep well at night.
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Prevaricate all you want, you're still happy to recommend a course of action based on nothing but a bullshit assumption based on nothing. And then take offense when it's pointed out to you. That asshole you're looking at is your own, because you've insisted on trying to shove your head up it.
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Oh my. I didn't recommend Bungie do anything, but I'll take all the PvP updates they throw at me either way, thanks. I wasn't aware my assumption was based on "nothing," as I'm fairly sure the dearth of PvE content new or otherwise hasn't exactly been a mystery, unless you've been living under a rock or -- surprise -- stopped playing destiny for one of the other myriad new releases lately. But sure, if it makes you feel better it's all just uneducated, unfounded, and illogical guess.
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Editado por ArchangelLBC: 4/15/2016 5:38:54 PMAnd I'm sure you'll be happy to take them at the expense of PvE players. Because all you care about is your own experience. Edit: sarcasm aside, yes your assumption that for most players it's all about the crucible is in fact based on nothing. Content droughts or not.
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Yes, obviously, because I'm a sociopath and a griefer. Jesus christ you're dramatic.
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Really if it was still all relevant I don't think it would. So much to do on 3 characters. But yes to some it would. And most of the nerfs they've put threw that I really hate aren't pvp related at all. I just don't want the issue ignored because most people play one or the other.
