Dont play pvp until the update. Sounds like a lot things thats messing up pvp right now is getting fixed. Peraonally my biggest problem was how the enemy team would revive each other fast and everyone would get a an overshield. I lose matches in trials to this cheap tactic everytime.

I only play Iron Banner. I stopped playing regular Crucible a long time ago. The rewards just weren't worth it to me. I might play some after the 12th to see how it plays and see if the rewards are good.

Don't give up man. It's really difficult but just practice a little bit each time. You will get better each day. I've been trying to do the same.

This games pvp is so -blam!-ing terrible. The person with the bigger -blam!-ing cheap ass gear will always be the -blam!-ing winner. Try playing trials against a -blam!-ing team with 3 Doctrines. There's is no such thing as winning. It's literally impossible. The -blam!-ing retards over at Bungie do not have the -blam!-ing slightest idea of what OP means.

Man just try changing up play styles a bit. If you rush things and get wrecked, then maybe try the mid to long range game. While not completely balanced, this is the most balanced I've seen pvp in quite a while. Just about all gun types are viable. ARs have great choices like doctrine of passing, hakkons hatchet, even the gunsmith special armanius d. Pluse rifle in all categories are strong red death, juju, Hawksaw and even gunsmith weapons like SUROS pdx 45 I believe. Hand cannons have tlw(which is getting nerfed) hawkmoon(getting buffed) along with imago loop, and eysluna. Scouts have mida and hung jury(the one you can buy from dead orbit is killer). Shotguns and snipers have great options fusion rifles have started to see action again, in heavy category you can make just about anything work. The heavies seem to be about the most balanced slot in my opinion. Believe me when I say this, and I'm no pvp God, I've been shot and killed by many more different guns in past month than the 6 months previous. Also, try different game types. Rift not your game? Play clash. Skirmish not your game type? Play salvage. Have you looked through your subclasses to see what options would benefit you? Some go into crucible sporting a PvE build subclass wise and they get owned....hard! Do the same with your armor. Look for perks that would benefit subclass you use. Like on my hunter I choose bladedancer, I run a decent roll hawksaw, usually my IB helm, gloves that have pulse rifle loader, my chest is CoAL with Intel roll and arc armor(increased armor for running arc subclass IE: bladedancer.) although the taruntella chest looks good as well. Boots that hold more ammo for favored heavy. You just have to play around, see what works for you. There Is a counter for everything don't let the game get ya down

PvP is like Games For Windows Live. Poorly made, laggy, never fixed, and goes out of its way to ruin other aspects of your gaming.

Why? If you do bad you get the best rewards

Watch out the 4-5 members of the competitive community will becoming for you.

Destiny crucible is the most rage inducing player verses player multiplayer to ever exist

The problem is the whining and nerfs. I believe if the game was untouched and ppl knew how to play PvP like they do now, they would absolutely WRECK shit. Everything was OP. Supers, guns, melees. Except for titan. He always had T-Rex arms until a recent patch.