Haha trust me
If you use a forum to find a team you will still beat a raid faster than a matchmade team. That is if you can even finish with a matchmade team.
When are people going to figure it out?
People will play with no headsets
270 light people can join a raid!
Someone can leave for 20 mins and no one can boot them
Lets not forget about the trolls too
This is why matchmaking isnt even optional and i admit maybe a matchmade group could win but nowere near as much as an LFG team
So LFG actually saves time?? Crazy i know
Optional matchmaking wont happen? Duh
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All your points are invalid as you can set things up to prevent this. “People will play with no headsets “ can be fix buy having code that only lets people with active headsets in, and a kick timer for people that unplug there's. “270 light people can join a raid!” Even easier to fix. If the raids say 290L+ then your not allowed entry unless you're 290 light or higher. At any time if you try to drop your light level below the requirement a kick timer comes up. “Someone can leave for 20 mins and no one can boot them ” Really? Anyone here of a inactivity timer? Something Bungie really needs to impalement in to strikes to salve the problem of people not playing in them as well? “Lets not forget about the trolls too ” Like there's none on the LFG pages? Get real... “This is why matchmaking isnt even optional and i admit maybe a matchmade group could win but nowere near as much as an LFG team ” I'll bet you a match made team can do just as well seeing as in a match made one there can also be many players that have PLAYED the raid many times before. And one last good point.. any one is NEW at some point you have to learn the raid so on a new one things are a bit more equal then you’d think. If matchmaking was around when VOG came out id say it be a 1 to 1 chance on both sides as no one knew how to raid at all. Now will there be no problems with it?. No just like anything there be some problems but I think it would be more a benefit for the community then a bad thing as this would allow many players to at least have something to try to do to pass the time and I know of a loot of veteran raiders that would go in to this just for the hell of it. The real issue here is. Many people wont to be elitist and don’t want everyone to have a shot at the raids. I'm not saying your one. your points are good but there’s ways to fix them but id say the trolls you speak of will more or less be them and the complaints will be more form them as well. (that’s MY gear that MY gun you shouldn’t have a chance at it its only for me and my clan!) Case in point right now in Iron Banner the raid heavy's are every where they give theses people a leg up on any player that Doesn't have one (Harrowed Qullim's Terminus or just Qullim's Terminus) that thing just 2 shots me every time I can't even get a shot off half the time and go one on one even with my 310 Thunderlord. But anyway I say with some tweaks like above or more its completely doable. Might as well try its not going to hurt anything and if it doesn't work well it just means some people get to say see I told you. lol.
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I'm confused. Since when is there such a feature that is in place which will disconnect someone without a mic?
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It can be added in. its just a simple set of code. I'm saying problems like this can be worked out with some thought.
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Possibly. But neither of us are at Bungie's end of things. For all we know, having a kick mechanism based on a mic being plugged in would be impossible due to engine limitations. Same for several other things you pointed out. Truth is, most of what we "know" about Destiny is unproven speculation, even if it seems logical from an end user point of view.
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Unfortunately I feel those who don't have mics would simply moan and groan, blasting these forums even more then they are now saying Bungie is being biased.
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I do wonder why it is opposed by some of the community as it would be totally optional and no one would be obliged to use it. If it was a horrorshow then people would just end up back on lfg. Nothing lost.
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The reason I'm opposed to it is that there would be less people on LFG. Even when people realize raid matchmaking doesn't work, some people will just do it anyways.
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From what people are saying the people using matchmaking will be the type of players the lfg users wouldn't want to play with.
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To an extent, that is partially true. But not necessarily. Besides, something I doubt any LFG user would want to admit is that even the best players need mediocre players to pad out the playerbase. If LFG was reduced to only the really committed players because of implemented matchmaking, it would take an absurd amount of time to find a group. Already people on LFG are getting scarce; it can take ten minutes as it is now. What if a quarter of the people on LFG left for matchmaking? That time gets pushed out even further. I'm not against an in-game version of LFG. But if they implement raid matchmaking, it would punish people who use LFG frequently and wouldn't be enough of a boon to people who don't use LFG to outweigh that factor. Ultimately only Bungie would benefit significantly because it would evidence that they listen to their playerbase. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised they haven't implemented it already just for that reason. I'm truly sorry you don't like using LFG or the forums to find people, but think of Iron Banner. You really want 5 of the idiots who stay at their spawn in Rift trying to coordinate roles(without mics, because let's face it no one's gonna use them), jumping on plates at exactly the right time, killing Ogres and Knights and downing Oryx? That's assuming nobody is AFK(enjoy sitting around 10 minutes waiting for them to be kicked, by the way) and nobody is underleveled(can't remember, but if memory serves you only have to be a 280 to join the raid), and that when a player ragequits they'll send someone else to join you(If my 1 v 6 Control game the other day is anything to go by, they won't.) Honestly, I understand you want to try it, but you understand running a raid with mic-less randoms won't work, right?
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I get your point and you make it very well but I do refute the idea that everyone will be a mic less noob who constantly goes AFK. That does seem to be the major argument against OMM. I don't think it will be a prevalent as you think. People will use it to find a team because they actually want to do the raid. A vote to boot option would be needed and you should only be joined with people around your own light level. It couldn't just be straight up matching with any available player. It should be trailed on VoG and CE at least.
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Editado por Art0ria: 3/31/2016 11:00:21 PMI also understand your point of view. And you're right; not everyone would be a micless noob. But how many will? How many people will take the time to plug in a mic? 50% of the population? 80%? I don't think anyone really knows. The issue is that if even one person doesn't have a mic, it makes it tough for the whole team. One single plate gets stepped off of because of ONE bad person in the party. One person dies on Crota? Oversoul. That happens frequently with LFG groups, but at least you can kick them. Now you have every single player over 290 light able to click a button to launch into the hardest thing in the game? Maybe I'm being a little pessimistic, but I don't think it's far fetched that at least 17% of the community would be too incompetent to do a raid, and statistically that's one person per team. One person that you can't kick, unless Bungie implemented a vote to kick system, which I find very unlikely considering we've never seen anything like it before. Personally, I'd prefer in-game raid messaging boards, but that's just me. If they could find a way to implement matchmaking well, I'd be all for it, but to be honest I think it's just too easy for weaker players to do.
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Damn, that turned into a rant.
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Im not opposed im just saying why it wouldn't work so people can stop asking for it But if you want to waste your time be my guest
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I agree somewhat although if a raid virgin were suddenly spawned in at the Warpriest for example, what purpose would it serve to wipe constantly for five hours or leave/rejoin until he got a full team of players with mics, then another five hours to get through that one step because none of the other five have ever beaten the Warpriset before?