I'm fine with those things. My sniper kills are usually drag scopes anyways because I'm always moving the crosshairs. No need to steady the scope when I don't leave it steady anyways

1. Who doesnt like a Shotgun, and the extra nerfs are arguably a little extensive. But too many people are doing nothing but playing with that shotgun they love, hardly ever touching snipers or fusions or sidearms. They need to always try their absolute best to keep everything on the same playing field, no matter how grim that may seem or even possible at all 2. Yes, you have stats just like everyone else that plays this games PvP that doesnt necessarily define your "skill" but does in fact show what you are capable of, including the plateau's. I'm saying you may have a grip on how to use the engine and mechanics we all use, but with those stats, please dont ever assume you have real weight and truth to make the argument that any said gun need adjusting. Youre just too far below even the average player on this game. I know this may seem insensitive, but this is why your thread wont stay trending for very long. 3. Just because you play a certain class in a said game, doesnt mean you owe someone an explanation for your opinion. The comment about "Yes, i main a hunter" is completely irrelevant and if anyone criticizes you over it, you simply mute or ignore them. You didnt need to state that. 4. Anyone who had thorn eventually used it, the better players went with a more effective route and these are the players who have kept The Last Word in their pocket along with a sniper rifle that will hopefully have ambush or shortgaze. Heres some more contrast. Many "better" pvp players will gladly take the ambush scope over the shortgaze BECAUSE OF the aim assist and how high aim assist not often but do in fact ruin the perfect headshot we always aim for. I say thats a contrast because if you used thorn, youre desperate for that smidgen of "edge" that up your odds, but in a good players mind "the quickest and most skillful and reasonably effective" gun like the last word is the better choice, because you can kill faster with a last word back then, than with a thorn. Those three shots were always more important to us than those two slow-ish shots that held the better odds for the chance of a 2 shot kill. 5. If you agree that snipers are one of the most skillful weapons to use (when in FACT THEY ARE the most skillful weapons to use) then why even title the thread that they are an issue. You are starting this thread because you suck and struggle to play well against someone who simply has adapted and honed what we good players have loved since the beginning of this game. A sniper rifle is the most effective way to win any competitive Destiny pvp mode. Period. It achieves the same thing as a shotgun, you just need some precision, talent, patience, and the will to put your opponent down in one shot. Without needing the absolute most dumbed down method possible, like a blink and shotgun blast. Without needing the stupid and unskilled two shot thorn when you can kill them faster with a Last Word. Or when you can avoid that 2 player line up in your sniper scope, but you miss cause your dumbed down shortgaze tried to lock onto both players, when if you had ambush sites, the drag would of been more controllable and you could of easily just killed them both in 2 or 1 shot if you have armor peircing rounds. 6. Of course you see a red glare more often than not when something is deemed hindered by the developer. People are adapting and youre using that as an excuse for there being an issue at all with snipers. Thats just dumb. People like you are the reason Bungie cant get a grasp on a more level playing field. You all shout "ISSUE" or "PROBLEM" because people are getting with the program and challenging themselves to become just a little better at this games PvP. Then suppose they finally reach that status of comfort in 3-4 headshot lineup killstreaks with their 1000 ys and you come along and push for them to think its wrong or "not so skilled" 7. These snipers DO FEEL LIKE SNIPERS. Some shoot faster than others, some do more body damage. There is no need for them to feel like a scout rifle lol... the scout rifles in this game do that just fine and dandy. I numbered this because of Bungies love for the number 7. and i just wanted to make 7 points on why your thread is pointless and deserves no recognition, only the recognition that its filled with more fallacies than Helen Keller trying to get around furniture. EDIT: Oh and one more thing... DESTINY'S BULLETS DO NOT "CURVE".. unless its a rocket launchers bullet.

The only thing wrong is AA.

I've been wondering about aim bots personally. There seem to be some players who don't miss headshots under any circumstances. Skill is one thing, but being a supernatural sniper God is another.

Literally all we need to do is increase ads time. People can use it in close range because it's so quick. Make it like half a second and I promise snipers will stop becoming a problem.

Bullet curve doesn't exist in this game. One point everyone who talks about scope away & weapon sway seems to forget one thing when comparing destiny snipers to cod & battlefield, you HAVE to hit a headshot to ohk with a sniper (excluding litc) in destiny. If all those mechanics to make sniping more difficult were added, they would also have to add snipers with enough impact to ohk in crucible. This is why they probably won't be added any time soon.

quick scope head shots need a nerf sniper rifles are too effective at close range

Ha hahahaha, and this is why destiny will never ever ever ever compete with any other first person shoot and loot. People complain to much, people want things nerfed to much. A sniper is a sniper, just because they are powerful in PvP doesn't mean they need to be nerfed. If they do that than it gets nerfed in PvE. Would you really want to waste a whole sniper mag to kill a single yellow bar captain? No you wouldn't. You also wouldn't want to do less damage to raid bosses. You also wouldn't want PvP to be Olaf and boring. Bungie needs to stop with the nerfs. Shotguns do not need another nerd. Fusions need a buff. Snipers are fine. Autos need a buff, hand cannons need a godlike buff, scouts could use some tweaking, pulse rifles just need a little damage reduction. But not anything over 3%. And hammer of sol, needs to be nerfed in PvP only, not PvE. Would want a Titan running around throwin explosive hammers and not killing thralls.

Stay out of sniping lanes Snipers are (almost) perfectly balanced, only ohk is with a headshot. And litc is getting recoded to work on head shots only Sniping is fine