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Editado por Kairos: 9/9/2015 3:13:33 PM
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Thanks, mods, for giving us a heads up on Hopscotch's demise

Classic Bungie. We have community managers that know full well that everyone is grinding Dragon Strikes like crazy to get the Hopscotch Pilgrim. They have metrics on what strikes are being played and this forum is full of Hopscotch posts all day. Think they might have mentioned that the HP would be destroyed in the new weapons tuning patch? Think it might have crossed their miniscule minds to point that out so people don't grind for something that will be fundamentally altered? I just got mine to drop this weekend after weeks of trying and haven't even been able to re-roll it yet without it coming out now that it's no longer the same weapon. Bunch of idiots. Have the decency to at least give a hint as to the fact that the grind would be useless and to hang tight. Unbelievable. Even with the knowledge that the gun wouldn't be "ascendable" to max light for purposes of raids, etc., at least leave it alone for PVP purposes! Explain yourself. ADDITION: going through the range of many responses, let me clarify some points. (1) yes, we all knew it was a year 1 weapon that was being left behind. The thought was that at least it would have value in non-level-advantage-enabled crucible for fun. (2) it is clear that even though there was info in the patch notes that the community as a whole was confused by those notes as it relates to this weapon, as evidenced by the dozens of threads and posts related to this weapon we saw the past two months (i.e., every "Just got Hopscotch, AMA" and "just got Hopscotch, what's the best roll?" thread) (3). It is also clear that many members of the community were grinding hard for the gun, at their own peril knowing it was only a year one weapon, for the purpose of obtaining it to enjoy in crucible. Think of all the Dragon Strike threads and posts about the number of strikes played without a drop. (4). My main point is that the community at large did not understand that Bungie would nerf the weapon and change it drastically the way they did, as evidenced by all the different threads posted. The community managers should have been able to put two and two together on behalf of the many members who were either confused by or unaware of the plans Bungie had for this weapon and simply posted a note saying "FYI Hopscotch Pilgrim will change quite a bit in the new patch for all those grinding away for it." That would be a proper use of their time given how they monitor these boards (allegedly) and knew how much passion and time was being dedicated to acquiring this gun in the waning weeks of year one. Things happen in this game. Some of it is head-scratching. At least respect players' time and when you see the community gaining a head of steam toward a goal that you know is going to fall apart soon, it would be an example of the two-way street we are supposed to have with Bungie via our community managers that we would get a heads up that we missed something important in the patch notes. All the other disrespectful comments are fine. They show what you're like behind a keyboard. Thanks to all those that tried to give a solid answer either way on this issue. In the end I feel really bad for those that were rolling their weapon like crazy, burning motes and weapon parts and glimmer which are now vital to leveling up their characters (as tradable parts) in the expansion. I got off lucky.
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  • Still a good gun. But i prefer the timepiece and the messenger is a close second.

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    • Editado por GreenD614: 9/13/2015 5:43:51 AM
      HSP isn't meant to be the best legendary pulse rifle for pvp. It's a pve weapon. Messenger is meant to be the best for pvp. That's the reason why you get it playing the hardest PvP mode in the game... Sure some people had to grind to get hopscotch (some people got it in only a few strikes) but that doesn't mean it was difficult to get. Youre playing the same easy strikes over and over. It just (possibly) takes time to get, not skill. You at least have to have some kind of skill to get the Messenger..... Therefore Messenger should be a better choice for pvp than HSP.

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      • Editado por DorkyPanda: 9/13/2015 5:23:42 AM
        I don't see why everyones complaining about the HSP my friend has one and say it works just fine, and still kills fine lol I feel people are just too scared to adjust or wanna make the effort...boohoo

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        • I smell butthurt and salt. They owe you nothing. You deserve nothing. The Hopscotch was more OP than the Messenger and was easier to get.

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          • Inb4 post gets taken down

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          • In this game, one should consider ALL items as being subject to change. It's the nature of the beast.

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          • Everyone grinded weeks for it. Why is that? OP maybe? What did you think would happen? If something sounds too good to be true - it probably is.

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          • To be quite fair, it was pretty obvious that it would have been nerfed in 2.0. After all, pretty much everyone was talking about it on the forums and it was one of the most popular PVP weapons. How couldn't it have been nerfed? [spoiler]That's why I never grinded for one in the first place. I knew where that was going to end up.[/spoiler]

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          • I kept my roll for it with smallbore. So i got used to it not having max stability. After the 2.0 patch I saw everyone freaking out about the nerf. So i Rerolled it again with braced frame. And it runs pretty much like I'm used to, so I still love it. One must simply adjust to the changes. And I know it's the impact that everyone is upset about. But it's still a 3 burst kill and can be 2 with the right perks. Can't complain about that.

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          • I'm just happy I didn't bother getting it. I'll carry on using my Messenger.

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          • Editado por Dang lmao: 9/12/2015 10:11:54 PM
            [quote]There's still a problem with this. The Messenger, Super Pox, 3LW, and multiple other PR's that follow under this archetype were basically untouched. Why do it to only ONE PR that was a hell of a lot harder to obtain than basically any other PR currently in the game ? I hope you do realize how and why the frustrates people. Quoting the patch notes still doesn't serve any kind of justice due to the fact that is was the only PR that had its archetype completely altered.[/quote] To the people who keep using the quote from the patch notes as an argument.

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          • [quote]All Stable (low recoil) Pulse Rifles (i.e., Hopscotch Pilgrim) now use "Medium" Rate-of-Fire base stats[/quote] I'll just leave this here.

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            • I found the salt mines. I'm rich.

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            • Seriously dude calm down. I understand that it was a good weapon turned into an alright gun, but there is a massive arsenal to choose from instead. Also, you are acting like you are completely annoyed by the patch, despite the great things that they did. Why does one bad thing tend to overshadow the great things about the patch?

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            • Here is how I seen it once I heard about Hopscotch: Yr1 is almost over & it can't be upgraded It will probably get nurfed I can only take 5-6 strikes back to back then I start to get really bored So I never bothered to try to get it. Very glad i didn't

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            • You really need to read the weekly updates

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              • Editado por Goatlord: 9/12/2015 8:59:40 PM
                Anyone that grinds that long for a weapon is the real dumb ass. If you can't get 5 wins in trials for the messenger, you really shouldn't be wasting your time for a Hopscotch anyways.

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              • The problem, as I see it, is that they apply sweeping changes to an entire class of guns, rather than precise tweaks to a particular weapon. This is like using a B-52 to take out a sniper: yeah, it works, but the collateral damage is ridiculous.

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                • I agree with the general argument. HP wasn't even overpowered, just a great gun in the right hands. It was still situational (garbage from close range), now it's just garbage in general from what I've heard.

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                • Hahahahahahahahahahbahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha @ your salt.

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                  • Editado por Pure: 9/12/2015 7:57:20 PM
                    I was fortunate enough to get mine a few months back. I totally agree with you on this though. I spent about 9 hours on dragons until I got mine because I liked the style of low rate of fire and high impact pulses. When I read the patch notes I saw MEDIUM rate of fire and impact pulse rifles will get a change. For those of you who don't see it the way I do, there are 3 different classes of pulses. Fast, low impact: Timepiece, Oversoul Eddict, etc. Medium: Time on Target, Allfate, Constellation Scar Slow, high impact: Hopscotch, Messenger, Evergreen I log in Tuesday only to see that my beloved Hopscotch is different in that it's now a medium, and there was no mention of it until Tuesdays official patch notes. Don't get me wrong it's still good, but a heads up would have been great since there were countless forum posts (and friends of mine) of people that were running dragon strikes day in and out only to have their prize totally changed. That's what the op is trying to get across. Instead there's hate and disrepsect thrown towards him/her. Classic Destiny forums.

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                    • It's still deadly in pvp, relax

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                    • Serves you right Scrub! :]

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                    • I might try rolling my Hopscotch's perks on the Spare Change. Even though it's not nearly as stable, it fits the RoF and Impact mold that it, Hopscotch and the Messenger used to share.

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                      • I think it was implied when they said year one weapons would be obsolete

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