What you fail to realize is that if YOU want a challenge, use lower tier weapons. Supporting a nerf IS telling us how to play. Power creep? When every DLC the enemies get stronger? Are you listening to yourself?? We do not force you to use the gally, why do you support forcing us to play your(Bungie's) way?

Hell, dont even bother leveling up, then ull have a real challenge cuz everything u shoot will say resist or immune over their heads. I'm sure u have a blast then.

Don't be unreasonable. I'm just saying that nerfs aren't inherintly bad. Especially if it's used to bring a gun down to an appropriate level of fairness. If you don't like the way Bungie handles their game then you can leave. And if you do, please do it quietly, like a gentleman (or lady, if that's what you are). Complaining and moaning like everyone here does is embarassing and annoying.

Im sorry in interject on this topic, but I would like to add a more detailed counterpoint to your view. There is no need for fairness in PvE nor is there a need for "balance" in PvP in a game where gear is generated by RNG. RNG in itself negates any sense of fairness. The games sole reward system is gear (since story enjoyment and achievements are lacking). So when the best gear is given (notice I didn't say earned) it should have a strong impact on your characters ability to complete mundane tasks over again. The glaring problem here is the lack of comparable gear to the elite weapons of the game. And that solely rests on bungie for not developing enough quality gear to entice someone to change their loadout. It is NEVER a good thing to nerf weapons. It sullies the rewards system and makes grinding for that piece of elusive gear less worthwhile. GH was and should be the end al be all of weapons, its still the one most people cannot get (I had 400 hrs before I got my first). And I like beating skolas or hard mode crota by just melting away. It adds to my characters progression to legend (also known as OP). PvP balance is a joke as well (actually PvP in this game is a joke and should be dropped in general), people complaining about thorn or fellwinters etc... is just silly. Both of these weapons are obtainable with some effort. This balances the game in itself. If you choose to run with guns that are not as dominant in PVP then that's a conscious decision to place you at a disadvantage. The people crying for nerfs are not really scrubs who thinks its OP, its elitist morons who think their K/D ratio is tantamount to having talent. There is no obtainable skill to jumping around shooting stuff that is tangible to anything else in life. Anybody who thinks K/D matters, Ill be happy to give them a rifle and drop them in a ISIS controlled town and we will see how their K/D stacks up then. I do see your point however I think your take on the big picture is skewed and maybe a little too optimistic. Buffing the under performing exotics and scouts is a much better solution than nerfing anything. It actually adds incentives to getting different gear. But in all honesty the general nerfs coming to all guns and special exotics is not some great balancing quest by bungie its just to try to make the TTKs weapons seem more worthy and to justify a new grind. Its simply playing on reward based behavior.

There is no way i can remember all of what you said. I have the mobile app so I can't review and respond. However, many of your arguments seem...poorly based. You use eloquent languge I grant you that, but it doesn't seem appropriately...placed. Balance should be thrown out the door? What? I'm sorry but if you want a game like that you will probably have to create it yourself. Then play it by yourself. No one has fun with a game like that. You may as well create a game with only three weapons: thorn, Felwinter's and ghorn. As far as I know, little to no people enjoy the current meta except those that thrive off it where they normally suffer. Maybe we just have differing opinions, but your ideas seem very radical. They may sound good on paper, especially if they support your current actions, but in practice I doubt it would go far in development. Unless they are snipers in CoD.

It sounds like you did miss a lot of what I said. As to my eloquence everything stated was grammatically correct (although Im sure I missed a few comas). I am not saying balance should be thrown out the door. Although if PvP were completely dropped from the game it would be a blessing. My point was balance is unobtainable because bungie chose an RNG based loot system and then used a game play variable to play off the brains reward based center to instill almost addictive play (much like gambling). So from the start balance was never a priority for this game. My point about the PvP weapons is simple if you want to dominate at that mode there are better tools to do it with than others. PvP suffers due to poor level design, unintelligent game modes and the terrible choice in using P2P connections. These are the things that need to be addressed, and they cannot be fixed with weapon nerfs or buffs. The thorn is arguably the most drawn out exotic bounty in the game. The PvP portion being the most tedious. As such it should be a beast in PvP, if for no other reason than to make up for its middle of the road PvE value. In the broadest way the thorn is a specialized weapon for the PvP dedicated crowd (by far the lowest player percentage) and the GH for PvE. From a loadout stand point that is balanced, each mode has it pinnacle weapon. OP weapons have been in games for decades (spread on contra, BFG 2000 from Doom, handheld nuke from Fallout 3 etc). I think you may have misunderstood my point. Im not stating balance is bad Im stating nerfing to establish balance is bad. But given the product bungie released it was the simplest and most manipulative way to try to do so. A good example of how RNG should work would be the loot system in Borderlands 2. There is so much loot and specialized guns for loadouts to be personalized that there is no reason to nerf or buff anything. Same with Diablo and ESO. Destiny is roped into so few standout weapons that the only reason to repeat content is to get that truly OP gun. I did the thorn bounty because the weapon was great and fun to use in PvP (a mode I dislike) because that's the weapons strength. I use gh on bosses because I want to finish it in the least amount of time possible because the content is old now. That's not cheesing or exploiting its simply using the best tool for the job. If I want to snipe the legs of a devilwalker with blackhammer at a distance it cant hit me that's not cheesing that is using tactics (you show me a sniper that gets upclose and personal Ill show you a guy that cant shoot straight). I do enjoy educated debates so I will in no way belittle your argument, but it seems to me that the balance you are craving from this game (which has never existed) cannot be obtained by the methods you are supporting. Lastly COD is everything that's wrong with gaming. Rehashed non-innovative play that shuns PvE content to cater to mouth breathers that stare at their K/D ratio with their genitals in their hands.

[quote]Don't be unreasonable. I'm just saying that nerfs aren't inherintly bad. Especially if it's used to bring a gun down to an appropriate level of fairness. If you don't like the way Bungie handles their game then you can leave. And if you do, please do it quietly, like a gentleman (or lady, if that's what you are). Complaining and moaning like everyone here does is embarassing and annoying.[/quote] Fairness for whom???

No one is forcing u to come on these forums.

C if u leave then u can sit there n play the same boss all day, all in the name if not beating the level too fast.

My god, you guys are frustrating! My 10 year old brother shows more maturity and reason than you. Okay. I am not saying that having an overly difficult game is fun. However, I am saying that it would be more fun than a game that is too easy. At that point it becomes monotonous. It would cease to be a game! Why would I play a "game" with infinite rapid fire ghorns for more than 10 minutes when I could do anything else?

out of curiosity did u play and complete battletoads?