It seems a lot of newer players think you need to be 30-32 to complete VoG hard. Us that have played since launch or at least pre TDB remember the struggle to get to 30 and competed VoG hard at 28-29. I've heard newer players say it's impossible but we know otherwise. So sign here if you completed VoG hard as a 28. Edit: a lot of newer players think because they are 30+ they can jump right in to hard VoG and that's fine if they are really good but I see the same things all the time. Struggling with oracles due to lack of raid weapons and repeated wipes due to not knowing the raid. Suck it up and do normal first where you can revive and learn the raid. Edit: keep em coming guys! Edit2: 1000 posts! Keep them coming!