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4/19/2015 10:47:10 AM
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The Last Word needs a serious nerf (written by one who use and love it)
I think one of Bungies greatest achievement with destiny is how you have this huge pool of weapons where people actually use a wide variety of different weapons. That’s why the Last Word needs to get a serious nerf. When you look at destiny tracker leader boards about ALL top players use the last word. It is no other option. Myself being an average player find that in clash and control you can play with different weapons and do well, but in Skirmish and definitely in double team with lots of head to head encounters the last word = king. You are putting yourself in a serious disadvantage if you don’t use it.
As I see it the main problem with The last Word is the range. One example is on the Anomaly, inside the caves where one of the heavy ammo spawn you have this long hallway to the left. If you have one guy with the last word at the end of this fighting one guy way back into the caves using a Red Death/vision of confluences the Last Word wins the majority of the time. It just should not happen. And no, this is just something which happened once, or because I missed, because of lag etc. For those of you who think the last word god bad range because of the range stat you are just wrong. It is perfectly fine that the last word dominates short range and is a good counter to shotgun campers, but its effectiveness blends too much into the mid range.
Bungie has stated that if you need to use a specific weapon to succeed the balance is broken. I kind of know the nerf will come and hopefully it is just the range so people can keep enjoy this gun paired with for example an sniper go cover medium and long range.
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Nerffing is hard business man, along with weapon tweaks. This is mainly dude to the random nature of the user. The Last Word was my first exotic, and I used it exclusively till I had to make a decision on exotics. At which point I started using exotic secondaries and heavies. I will admit the bug where it does bonus damage while ads does need to be fixed. But I have to say I feel the gun works as intended. It melts people at close to mid range. Bungie has 4 ranges close, mid, long and very long. As it stands most engagements happen at close to mid. This is just they way bungie has created the maps. The last word is very good at they ranges. The best choice ... Debatable. So going by strict numbers TLW needs 3 ads head shots to kill at ~84 per shot and 4 body shots to kill at ~54. The only change is with the bonus damage at hip fire. Being crits go to ~111. Yielding the 2 head shot kill. Now best case scenario that means you can kill 4 guardians if your aim is true. But let us be honest, the amount of people that good can be counted on 1 hand. The other end of that spectrum is 2 kills per clip. That is about average for people. The last word has a few drawbacks. First the ROF: This is a double edged sword. You increase ttk, but if you are not careful you can burn through those 8 rounds quickly. Second range. Sure, you can hit long distant targets. But the ttk become longer the further out of that mid range that you go. In the end it always comes down to the player. If they can keep you in their optimal range, which the maps seem to favor. If they can control the ROF and score those hip shots. Then I see no reason to nerf the weapon. The player has obviously work hard at over coming the issues and is rewarded with the kill. The last word does not instantly transform a crappy player into a mlg pro. There has to be some skill there to begin with. I would say, fix the bug and that is it. Anything else might break the weapon.
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1 RespuestaRate of fire is balanced by its small mag. Great stability is countered by its horrid range. The problem might be the [b][i][u]player[/u][/i][/b]. We don't hold people accountable anymore. We always blame it on the gun. Seriously, we are most grown men. Stop blaming the gun and own up to the fact you got outplayed.
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2 RespuestasWhat the f*** is wrong with you? You do realize the last word already has the worst range of any hand cannon in the game, right? It is intended to be a single target, dueling pistol. If someone manages to kill you with long range with the last word, it's not because they're really good, it's because you really suck.
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I hope they never do anything to TLW it's great!!! I just recently started using it ( not because of Xur) and that gun takes some getting used to, but when you get it right man does that thing wreck. The hard part is aiming without aiming and firing from the hip.
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Take away it's auto fire and it's glitched special perk so it doesn't do 111 headshot damage to start, lower the body shot damage but leave the headshot damage relatively the same.
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3 RespuestasLearn how to play... I notice that people who play all three classes have not mastered one class... In pvp i play a gunslinger... I laugh at people using tlw... Im so tired of listening to people saying nerf this nerf that... Learn how to play man... Look at ALL your perks... ALL of them, tweak your shit and master ONE class. No gun in destiny is OP if you are good. Btw my kd ratio is 1.16 not great... But i rarely go negative now that I figured out how to play my class/subclass of choice...
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13 RespuestasEditado por ParasiticFilth: 4/19/2015 2:47:09 PMThe problem isn't the gun, it's the lack of ranged maps within the Crucible. Players should have to suffer for utilizing a gun for it's specialty- quick fire at a short distance. Instead, Bungie should implement different maps that make long distance specialized weapons, the player choice. Of course, nerfing the gun will be Bungie's fix for this problem. Heaven forbid they issue new content for free.
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The range is stupid on tlw. I get sniped with it a lot.
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No more nerfing anything, only buffing the weak......
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Buff auto rifles and scout rifles.
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Bungie statement about having to use specific weapons is garbage because they make us use pulse rifles.
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Another nerf post..... Have u ever thought about map size? If u turn the corner and down the [b]short[/b] hallway is someone with TLW and u get killed is it the gun or the map? [b]It is the map[/b]. The maps are way too small and they guarantee that every guns range stat means nothing. Maps like first light provide a better mix of cqb and long range combat and takes into consideration range stats. Most maps are pure cqb and nothing else.
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1 RespuestaThe ttk on the last word is on par with heavy machine guns.
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4 RespuestasI have no clue what players are saying it has the worst range. First define range in this game and then compare it to the range between all other types of primaries. Here's a nice example. The gap between C base and B base on rusted lands you are by the special ammo crate at B and your opponent has a last word by the wall entrance to C base lets say you have the mida tool with fair accuracy and the first shot. Fair being your own accuracy and not the gun. Who should win? Scout rifle right? Well that didn't happen for me. It took 3 shots from the Last word for me to drop from that distance. The Thorn isn't far off either. Stepping aside from my rant how bout some opinions on this. There is a lot of back and forth with nerfing guns what if they put hand cannons as secondaries? Would that be a fair and simple fix? How would it affect the game play?
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1 RespuestaYour idea is the worst I've heard all week! Go -blam!- your self you maggot!
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1 RespuestaKinda funny. No one complained about Last Word until Xur sold it. It was all Thorn nerfing cries. Now that he sold it everyone yells nerf
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No more nerfs!!!!!! I hate hand cannons, but seriously no more nerfs Buff other weapons first!!!
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Editado por xMaDKinzOx: 4/21/2015 1:16:19 AMIf you suck with The Last Word then you are going to lose. If you cannot defeat someone with The Last Word then you are worse than them and they would beat you regardless. You just think it's overpowered because it's all anyone has been using since Friday. Sorry, but there are way bigger problems in PvP than this weapon.
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no the last word needs a buff
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Again buff auto rifles and fusion rifles.
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2 RespuestasThat's stupid.
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2 RespuestasEditado por Mr 2NiceWitIt: 4/21/2015 1:41:12 AMNerf? Are you smoking meth? The gun is perfect. Bungie NEED NOT tamper with that relic. Be more pissed off about all the assholes using maxed Red Death than The Last Word. You must just be that terrible at PvP to even say that. Step your game up dude. #Gone
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The only thing that needs a nerf is the badass animations it has lmfao
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Im going to nerf in your mouth
