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Editado por That Guy:
8/5/2016 9:09:12 PM
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WHY IS THIS OP?
Honestly I don't understand the strong hate Stormcallers and Strikers are receiving at the moment. It seems to have all funneled and been focused after the April update. There is an obvious solution to this.
Just re-buff the Sunbreakers and Sunsingers. Any reasonable suggestions should be left below.
[b]Edit 1:[/b]
[spoiler]I can't believe I actually have to explain this, but hey whatever. When I said "Just re-buff Sunsinger and Sunbreaker......." and then follow it with leave suggestions below, than I mean I want to hear your ideas. Yes, Sunbreakers have recently gotten a buff, but was it really enough to keep Stormcallers in place so people would stop saying to nerf them? Was it good enough to cause diversity? Not exactly. When I say Sunsinger buff, I don't mean revert to pre-April patch. I want to hear new ideas. Not go back to something that was broken. I want firebolt useful again. Not as a DOT, but something that can do good damage. Unless people enjoy getting instant killed with fusions all the time, that's why Sunsinger should be buffed in some way.
Other than that. I enjoy hearing the postive suggestions.[/spoiler]
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104 RespuestasEditado por Irenus: 8/5/2016 8:28:06 PMLightning grenades hit too far. Titan Overload Melee does 158 damage. (way more than other classes.) Titan skating. Fist of Panic. Shoulder Charge's tracking going upwards for some reason. Stormcaller super chains too far, too mobile in super, too much armor for super, melee hits really far with a lot of aim assist. Grenades suck. How to fix these; Shorten the lightning grenades blast radius slightly, either lower the damage or give them t-Rex arms. Titan skating should give more directional control rather than raw speed. Or buff hunters' jumps and give them more raw speed jumps. Lower the armor for fist of havoc. I really don't get why a super than you can panic with and become almost invincible with exists. Shoulder charge shouldn't travel upwards. Getting hit in the bottom of my feet by a shoulder charge is just the most annoying thing. Stormcallers need a grenade buff, (buff the time it takes for the storm to land, buff arcbolts). Make the melee animation with amplitude to be slow enough where if an enemy is REALLY fast he can dodge the melee. The super either needs a chaining nerf, speed nerf, OR the armor needs to be lowered. Buff sunsingers. Sunbreakers [i]could[/i] use something, but I dunno what. But if you buff anything, then buff golden gun. Edit: Added video. Yup.
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1 RespuestaI honestly think Sunbreakers are in a good spot now. Sunsingers just need the range and damage buffed on their fire bolts. That's all they need IMO. Arc bolt also needs a slight damage boost for both classes that use it.
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They've avoided the nerf hammer while Bungie turned everything else into poo... there's the reason.
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18 RespuestasHeres my ideas for class balance. Gun Slinger Buff Trip Mine Activation Time & Range. Also, Increase Length of Duration 1.5x The bonus from Ahamkara Spine should also increase a bit. Blade Dance is Fine Shadowshot is fine. Striker I would say shoulder charge should in fact be toned down a bit. We had lots of whiffs and that being fixed is great. However, now that it's been fixed, these occurrences where titans lunge from the ground into the air are ridiculous. Id lock the vertical movement of SC a bit. Shouldn't lock on as hard. Defender is fine Sunbreaker is fine Sunsinger needs Viking Funeral either buffed or reworked again. The bonus damage should be 12 percent and stack. AS WELL. In pve last longer than the actual burn. The debuff applied should last 30 seconds. Storm callers amplitude should change imo, but i dont think it should change. What i mean, i hate their range but overall, theyre balanced. I would however, do something about super conductor. That range plus their speed is silly. They should be at sprinting speed. If you can't catch your prey, invest in agility or time your super better. This would make ionic blink more popular. Also, id make ionic blink use a little less super. Nova bomb is fine. Theres my opinion OP
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U have always been able to counter a stormcaller. Always Animation times with hitboxes matching the animations on strikers though, thats a prob in itself. Sliding also has the same issue ehere u can die b4 u even see the animation or it finishes U can't counter everything because of awful decisions by bungie, the latency just makes it worse and impossible to do so
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2 RespuestasEditado por Rokinn: 8/10/2016 7:39:34 PMNothing is OP. Everyone has access to the same gear and classes.
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Editado por Terrorizer: 8/10/2016 6:49:08 PMSunsinger buff but not sure what Voidwalker perfect, buff blink Stormcaller slight armor reduction (imo) while in super, a tradeoff as all other roaming supers have some negatives (blade requires melee range and isn't always active (mid swipe and such), breakers have cooldown in between hammer tosses), buff acrbolt Gunslinger slight buff to throwing knives and tripmine damage Nightstalker perfect Bladedancer buff arcbolts, buff blink, buff Blink strike Sunbreaker perfect Defender perfect imo, could use a buff but not sure what they could do Striker perfect All my opinion, feel free to disagree and debate but do so with respect please
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2 RespuestasSimple- It's not. I am sure I will get a lot of hate for this next string of comments, but I stand by it: Everyone complaining about it does not understand the reasoning and/or mechanics behind why certain things are they way they are. Striker melee damage? To compensate for the lacking range Storm caller melee range? Even if it is a tad too high, it is to compensate for the fact that it is tied with blink strike in terms of damage, the damage is the lowest of any charged melees. And finally, shoulder charge. The first thing I hear is that it is a one shot melee. It is nowhere near a traditional melee. You have to sprint in an almost completely straight line to get it to proc, meaning that anyone can just burst you down as you try and get a shoulder charge while unable to fire. The second thing I hear is tracking, and it would take several paragraphs for me to explain what is happening when you see someone 'supposedly' do a 180 and shoulder charge you, but the short version is that the tracking on it has to be able to reliably hit because otherwise you are left exposed and can simply be shot as you recover from a shoulder charge. I also hear that the cool down is too fast, or that it should take a melee charge, but you must consider that storm grip with overload and tier 5 strength gives you a 10 second cool down, very close to the current cool down. Just my thoughts, although I am now bracing for hate comments given what I have seen these past few days on the forums.
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Mostly the people with better k/d are complaining, I suck a pvp, but I still spend plenty of time to get better, you can't blame any subclass for you being shit
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2 RespuestasStormcallers - Thunderstrike Titans - No Backup Plans, Shoulder Charge, and Juggernaut
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7 RespuestasArc supers - op Void supers - meh Solar super- got shrekt by bungo
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9 RespuestasDon't leave the hunters behind rebuff night stalkers gunslingers and blade dancers
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3 RespuestasEditado por duzton: 8/5/2016 9:31:19 PMI can sorta understand the anger with stormcallers melee [url=https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CPSAp3ktCE4[/url] Not my video
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1 RespuestaYou want a suggestion? Un-fûck Hand Cannons
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1 RespuestaIf Destiny has taught me anything, everything that is "OP" isn't overpowered. In fact anything that is "Annoying to fight against" is automatically considered "OP". Here is my definition of "OP" Cannot be countered in any way whatsoever. Something that far surpasses anything in the game in terms of balance and overall usefulness. -Example - Vex Meltyoass (PvP) (Back in Vanilla, there was absolutely no way to best that. 3 shot kill (crits) at all range. Had over 60 in a mag and had near doctrine fire rate with perfect stability.
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5 RespuestasStrikers aren't OP like a lot of people say they are. You can't just put on shoulder charge and go on a reign of terror, it's actually fairly challenging to use (unless your opponents are oblivious). And for Stormcallers, if anything their grenades need a buff. They're all just meh.
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It's just the community. People cry nerfs when their preferred subclass is not the current strongest subclass. Streamers cried about firebolts all the time and look what happened to sunsingers. They got shat on, how often are you killed by a sunsinger in crucible anymore? Now looks like it's stormcallers turn, especially since triplewrecks latest video. I get killed by far more shoulder charges than I do stormcaller melee. Shoulder charge is pretty much equivalent to shotgun with tracking and a small cooldown. No I don't want a shoulder charge nerf, it's irritating but I'm learning to counter it, and adjust my play style.
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4 Respuestas[quote]just re-buff the Sunbreakers and Sunsingers.[/quote] Let's point out the flaws here. 1) Sunbreaker was literally just buffed 2) Sunsinger being buffed will out us right back at square one 3) Your solution to two OP subclasses, is to buff two other subclasses for the respective classes? Wow, you really have no idea what you're talking about. Yes, let's make the two more powerful classes [i]even more so[/i].
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1 RespuestaSo you basically want Warlocks and Titans to have two strong subclasses each. What about the third class?
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4 RespuestasI agree to buffing Sunsingers and Sunbreakers but the Gunslinger needs it's Tripmines reinstated to their previous damage level and the ability to stick to targets.
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3 RespuestasTitans have shoulder charge and lightning grenades. Warlocks have... Well.. Everything nerfed
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I will take my Bladedancer back as well 😏
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7 RespuestasFor me I think all nerfs are stupid. This game is build on spamming abilities and button smashing fun. That said I dislike when people say nerfing on thing was okay but this thing is just fine. I never call nerf on anything but I do argue with those that don't see the flip side.
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2 RespuestasAnd especially buff dancers
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21 RespuestasThose retarded Hunters complain about anything and everything, "Bungo y u no gib mi pink shader fir mi ToO dress?" and random crap like that.....
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6 RespuestasYou know that girl you like? She's with Brad right now. Brad is a winner. Brad's parents are proud of him. Brad is currently with the woman you love but are to afraid to talk to, you loser. Maybe if you won a fight she'd love you. But probably not. How does it feel. To have her stolen from you. You cuck. She'll have his kid. She'll forget all about you. You're a disease guardian. And you deserve to be spawn trapped. So You die. Over and over again.
