Does anyone know if the first curse was transformed into thorn? I understand that the first curse is a very old forgotten gun. Not the one we get to use because banshee makes it brand new. It's sister weapon is very well known and in the grimoire we learn that people forget about this weapon. Maybe because it was once called rose or tex mechanica rose but because of what dredgen yor did to the gun, people believe the gun is cursed. The first weapon of sorrow discovered by guardians. Edit. Ok I know about rose. It could have been yor's gun before it turned into thorn. What my theory is, is that Rose may have been the first curse. It was renamed the first curse as it is seen as the weapon, perhaps the first known weapon to have been crafted into a weapon of sorrow. Therefore it is seen as a cursed gun, the first cursed gun to be transformed into an evil gun.