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7/11/2015 8:48:56 AM
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If you're trying to get someone's attention to fix something, that probably wasn't the best way to do it. You're in Bungie's forum and by being in, you play by their rules- no matter how unfair you deem it to be.
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Editado por HoptimusPrime: 7/11/2015 8:53:37 AMWhat wasn't the best way? Nothing I said was out of line, untrue, or a violation of the Code of Conduct.
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I was referring to your friend's post title. I read the code of conduct and a lot of people will argue it doesn't say no profanity but read the more in depth Terms of Use (linked) which also applies.
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Editado por HoptimusPrime: 7/11/2015 9:12:04 AMAs someone who moderates a couple forums online, the general rule of thumb is to apply your moderation with an even hand. What that means is that you don't ban someone for something you aren't even normally giving warnings for. Did you follow the link I included? That user did the same thing in their title and their actual post is significantly more hostile than my friends was. And there are dozens more like it in help at any given moment. I also work in support, and I understand that when dozens of people are making the same complaints, it can get frustrating having to deal with them. That can lead to someone in a support position snapping or lashing out, like banning for something as innocuous as saying s**t. It's still an over reaction and should be rectified. The fact that there are dozens more posts with that exact word left unmoderated proves it was one frustrated mods over reaction. That mod should just admit that they were particularly cranky that day because of all the hostile Iron Banner issue complaints and overturn the ban. Beyond saying s**tfest, the post was not rude or hostile. I was in the middle of commenting on it to add my experience when it was moderated. Lastly, -blam!- is censored by the site. If s**t is going to be a ban worthy offence (ban, not warning) then it should also just be auto-censored.
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Editado por catrodsan: 7/11/2015 9:34:10 AMThe link doesn't work for me. It leads to an "example link" website. With that said, did you read the part where they can remove access for any reason anytime? And seeing as you mod other forums as well you're aware that each place have their own set of rules. Treating people fairly would be nice, but a community as big and as "colorful" as this forum? Hardly possible. They would need a full time employee to flag, ban, edit, delete all the post. That post title was in poor taste. Regardless of what you believe (that if it's not allowed it should be censored), someone Bungie trusted to represent their brand found it in poor taste as well. You can call it an over reaction or whatever you want, that's all assumptions. Maybe it wasn't a mod or a ninja who saw the post and threw the ban hammer but and actual employee? Who knows. I don't know what was in the actual post but like I said, if you want something fixed, that probably wasn't the best way to do it.
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https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/137323965/0/0 You're still missing my point, and the entire basis of my help request. Forum bans on bungie.net do get overturned when someone else with mod access sees that the ban was a little heavy handed or that the offender is sorry. This is a very clear case of an extreme interpretation of the code of conduct. If I can get someone who is actually a mod to look into it, I'm positive they will agree. Also, my friend is obviously sorry and only said s**t because it's so prevalent on these forums that nobody who reads these forums often would ever assume it's use would result in a warning, let alone a ban.
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Yah I get your point. I never argued that the ban might never be lifted. But all you're riding on is that a mod maybe had a bad day. But my point is by being in these forums alone, you play by their rules. So sure it can be overturned, or it might never be. Fight your friends case all you want, but you may or you may not get the result you want.
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That isn't all I'm riding on. Rational, levelheadedness supports my points. This forum is the worst I've ever seen in terms of what people get away with saying to each other. If they want it cleaned up, they need to start with the highly offensive stuff, not the innocuous curses.
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Lol then why come back if its the worst. Stay away and it wobt both you smh
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Editado por HoptimusPrime: 7/11/2015 4:19:09 PMIt's unfortunately necessary for the clan and support. You also completely missed my point. Banning someone for saying s**t while people are allowed to say exponentially worse things to each other, without being moderated or even warned, is ridiculous.
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Editado por pumpkinroo74948: 7/11/2015 4:26:11 PMI did not miss anything. I have read that line repeatedly in your posts. Did your parents ever tell you that it was their house... their rules. Same thing applies here. With my dad i could cuss. With my mom i could not. This is their house. We are just passing through. There are days i let my daughter get away with more then i would on other days. Its their choice. My suggestion would be direct your friends to a site where you can post what you want. Other then that your friend will have to deal with it. But i wish you all the best of luck
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Yeah, you're still not getting it. The first time you swore near your mother, did she ban you from the house or did she let you know that that wouldn't fly with her? Was she letting other kids swear in your house and kicking you out when you assumed that meant it was safe to say one bad word? I doubt it. And no, my parents never said "my house my rules" or anything to that effect. That line is bad sitcom material. It never came down to obeying because they owned the property. Rules were made clear and my siblings and I simply followed them for the most part. Had I said s**t to one of them I'd have been politely told not to do it again, especially if I had done it while others were being allowed to swear. If I had continued, I'd have been sent to my room. If I'd continued after that, I might have been grounded for a bit. See the logical, rational escalation in punishment? That's the point here and that's what was missing from this particular issue.
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Well most of us didnt live in your type of world. If we broke a rule, we got are butts handed to us. There was no increasing degrees of punishment. We were told the rules, and then if we chose to break them, that was it. The punishment may have been excessive but we didnt break the rules any more after that. If another kid came over, my parents didnt bust them, like they did us, they just did not get to come back. So yes the punishments were very different.
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Sounds like abuse to me. Most people did not grow up that way. Neither my wife or I had that experience, and we both have siblings who also didn't. Of all my friends and my wife's friends growing up, we never met anyone whose parents were like that. We've also strayed from the point. Bungie obviously intends to have moderators use a warning system for small infractions, otherwise one wouldn't exist. This rogue moderator went outside the established routine, and over an incredibly innocuous word. Bungie has worse curses in their own posts on this site. Look at the forum descriptions, watch DeeJ in the HoW reveal vids on this site, and read the weekly updates. S**t and other words of similar caliber have been allowed. No [b]reasonable[/b] person who visits this forum often would assume the word s**t would get you banned. Period. For all we know it was a mistake. The site issues notices when you've been banned, and my friend didn't get one. He got a moderation notice and since then his posts have not been showing up. He has no issue logging in, creating threads, or making comments and taking surveys...his posts just aren't visible to anyone else. It appears that the mod didn't complete the ban process, which to me seems more like a mistake in the moderation of a single post than an intentional ban over the word s**t.
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It was not abuse, we knew better then to break the rules. Most families I have been around were like that. Which ever mod did it apparently bungee is fine with it. My advise to your friend and to all others is not to curse anywhere within your posts. And yes employees might, and those appointed to mod and mentor might, but it's their game, their space, their right. Ok thank you for the conversation, I am gonna go play a little before my daughter takes over with another game. Be well😀
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Bungie hasn't weighed in and they don't check every moderated post or ban, that's why they have volunteers doing that work. There's still a chance to get it overturned if I can get the attention of someone with any authority. Enjoy your weekend! :)
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Well then I wish you, your friend, and your clan the best of luck. Have a good weekend as well
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Thanks!
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Maybe they were offended by that. You're not them. It's highly subjective. I think blatant profanity is offensive and that sh** is a curse word. It's their world on these forums. Good luck with your cause.
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I direct you to the Bungie forum descriptions then. They curse, so clearly using some profanity is allowed. It's the subjective nature of the ban that I'm objecting to, especially since other posts containing s**t have been left unmoderated in help.
