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4/18/2015 7:55:09 AM
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You know what Lucifer means in Latin right?
[spoiler]Keeper of the light[/spoiler]
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Yes of course. The Bible names him as a Son of the Morning. He was, according to scripture, a leader before becoming corrupted with power.
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This. Second in command to The Man Himself. Until Lucifer said "I will..."
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I hear Lucifer already has 3 lvl 35 characters
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He is such a hacker
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You should read the bible lol.. Isaiah 14, Revelation 12.
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"I will give freely to any one with out cost a drink from the well spring waters of life" Also you know in Joshua, after he stop the army so they could get snipped. That the Lord commanded them to break the ten commandments? In the fall of the wall of Jericho they walked around the city for 7 days, thus they had to break the Sabbath. I have taken 3 advance religion classes on the Bible Old Test, New Test. The third was a Phil class dealing with the many different translations that the bible went through and the changes from these text. Excample: "Though I walk through the valley of death I shall fear no evil." is not what it says in the Hebrew, It is really "Though I walk through the valley of darkness." This little word changes the metaphor from one of I should not fear death, to one of I should not fear the unseen aka future. So I think I have studied, from its conception to its form now. Nice of you to assume though...
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It always seems like those that should know their religion the best, really don't know jack about it at all. Doesn't stop them from proselytizing to all of us tho.
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Although I haven't seen the rest of the conversation yet, God would not have made the Jews break the law of "keeping the sabbath" as basically it is to not work on the sabbath. If they couldn't walk around, it would be ridiculously hard to keep and unnecessary. Since they aren't doing work (career as viewed by most), then they wouldn't be breaking the commandment.
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I think I replied to the wrong post lol. But why are you saying these things about the bible? About Joshua and Psalms? That's good that you've taken religion classes, knowledge of these things is important.
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Editado por Rabid Kiwi: 4/18/2015 2:49:35 PMIt is facts about that bible. No worries you know what the breaking of the ten commandments means right? It is not bad. God commanded them to break them, This means that it is laws for mortals, not laws for Gods. So God succeeds all laws and is the final law. This allows for the laws to be changed as we change, but the Power of God never changes. It is all in how you look at it. The same with the valley of death/darkness. To have people to not fear death can create fanatics that is not well healthy for civilization, but to stop people from fearing the future allows for what civilizations need the most change. Most of the changes where made by people who feared the loss of power more then the truth behind the words. That is the best lesson any one can take from the morals of the Bible.
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I think what I've been writing in this forum is that there are many reasons to not believe in anything written in the bible. There's no evidence for the miracles in the OT or NT and evolutionary science is fundamentally contrary to all but the most liberal readings of scripture. I used to be very conservative and heavily into apologetics. But over the years and after learning and studying many things I've realized none of these things should be believed. I'm a Christian culturally, and explicate scripture purely for social or "moral" reasons/discussions. I studied Greek and read many commentaries and books. However, I reject all the doctrines and supernatural phenomena as being ontically true or actual. Only that which can be verified scientifically or empirically should be "believed".
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I guess if you choose to ignore the miracles that occur daily then you may have a point. Being that Jesus continues to perform miracles around the world personally and through his representatives provides a bit of an issue for your viewpoint. "Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father." John 14:12. And so it is unto this day, to the point that these miracles are causing people to want to leave their faith to follow Jesus even if they know they will suffer pain or death.
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If you can support and verify these miracles then they shouldn't be ignored but rather further investigated. It's not impossible that "miracles" can occur. Almost anything can happen and it's not for us to limit nature by our own reason and logic. Our duty is to study nature and accept its workings, whatever they may be, however bizarre they are. I understand the internal logic and consistency of religious (Christian) beliefs if all the tenets of the faith are accepted as true. However I think verifying one doctrine doesn't necessarily verify another or any other. Miracles, if proven to be real, need to also be proven to be caused by the god of the Christian bible.
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Editado por Rabid Kiwi: 4/18/2015 3:16:26 PMSee that is just faith your faith takes you to that point, I would not say you are wrong. How can I say that? There are no wrongs in the house of faith, as long as you hold true to the teachings. All religions teach peace, compassion, and acceptance. So fundamentally they are all the same, this is why Gandhi said that "All religions are true." I am a Buddhist, but I studied the Bible, not to degrade it but to learn from it. Just because I do not share in the faith does not mean I will disavow it. This is because there can be no right and wrong in faith, that fundamental leap that is required is not logical, it is all based off of emotions. So I make it a point no to tell people what they should believe, they owe it to themselves to find it on their own. This is why so many religious books use stories to convey points. Everyone finds something different from the metaphors in these stories, that in turn tells them more about themselves then what the story was about. That is basically what religion is about. To find ones place in the greater wheel of life, and be a peace with it. Alas good soul, I fear I have gotten to deep for this forum. So I must end this here in fear I shall break the interwebz.
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All religions teach peace? Read the Quran, I encourage you.
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I have and the true Quran teaches peace. Look the bible says we should still stone people, so do we still do that? No We are talking about the fundamental morals that each teaching holds. Is their violence in them all? Yes. I am sorry you feel that Islam is not a religion of peace, but it is. It is a few bad eggs that give it a bad name. Same with any other religion, to judge it by these people and not by the morals of it is not keeping an open mind. You can pick apart any religious text to make it in to a militant violent cult. Do we still do an eye for and eye, that is in the bible? Do we cut off hands of people who rob others? That is in the bible. You are forgetting that Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all came from the same place. The old Hebrew religion, this makes them all fundamentally the same. I could go on for hours but I fear it would be in vain, sounds like you made your mind up already about this.
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The Bible does NOT say we should still stone people. You're stupid if you think people will believe this crap you're posting. Actually, wait...people who don't research will probably believe you. Either way, most of what you're writing is false and you know it. Please.
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Go read the old testament. Straight ignorance, all your brains' are fried.
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Read the New Testament and go to the story about the woman who WASN'T stoned when Jesus said only one who hasn't sinned can cast the first stone. You're stuck in a tired argument that is completely irrelevant.
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I don't even waste my time arguing with religious people anymore. You base all your beliefs from one book and call that evidence. I pity people like you.
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Dude...stop. Actually read the Bible. Its not all dandelions and sunshine.
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"“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear." Deuteronomy 21:18-21 "Whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall stone him. The sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death."Leviticus 24:16 “A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.”Leviticus 20:27 Really you may want to think before you accuse people... "The judges shall inquire diligently, and if the witness is a false witness and has accused his brother falsely, then you shall do to him as he had meant to do to his brother. So you shall purge the evil from your midst."Deuteronomy 19:18-19
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If you look at all these books, they are basically the rule books from the Old Testament. Currently, we don't have to practice all those laws because Christ died and fulfilled the law. So basically because he died for people's sins and now forgives them, people don't have to suffer death from a single sin.
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Look down I just put a bunch of in Jesus's own words from the bible saying that is not that case.
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Yeah I saw that, I believe what you are referring to would be is the one saying that he won't abolish the law but fulfill it. Honestly that lines up with what I was saying. Jesus wasn't making it so sins were now acceptable, but because he bears the sin of ours he also bears the punishment that comes with it (in this case stoning a person). Although the laws are in place we are forgiven our sins and do not need to suffer the punishment. On another note, that Alexander guy right? He seemed not to know much :3
