It was great to beat him legit after cheesing for a while. It felt like how it used to feel when clearing a stage in vog when we first started raiding. Had to clear some cobwebs, but finally got it down. My tips: lvl 30's, skilled relic holder (w/ good aim), good plan and good communication. Trial and error- learn from mistakes. Insanity is repeating the same thing over and over expecting different results. There is more than 1 way to clear Templar.