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originally posted in:Decoding Destiny
Edited by Ryuu5oul: 10/16/2014 12:15:04 PM
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A simple copper box .... but very significant. (Edited: my opinion added)

Ghost Fragment: Ishtar Sink [quote]The box appears to be copper. The red lid is dented, one hinge shattered. Inside waits a small quantity of the finest, driest powder, more brown than gray, more blue than green. The greatest minds in creation make quick work of the material. The powder is weighed by the grain, and studied close, and remembered. One hundred billion bits of near-nothing reside inside the copper box, all of them tiny and nearly spherical, all etched with the outlines of continents and islands and icecaps. Each sphere represents a planet, and some of these tiny globes match known worlds. There is one Earth and one Mars and a Venus too. The box holds renderings of every habitable world in the galaxy. One of them offers a simple explanation: "The box is a message. The message is the minuscule nature of the box's cargo. It's the image of one hundred billion worlds barely filling two hands." But if so, who is delivering this message? What vastness do they wish to impress on us? Is it a warning, or an invitation, or a taunt?[/quote] This is at first seems to be nothing, but I have come to the conclusion that it alludes to something very significant in Destiny's future, I will post my opinion on the matter later, but without me to persuade you, I want to know: What do you think? Edit: There have been some interesting theories so far, so now I will post my own speculation. First let's list what we know. -The box was considered a message meaning it may have been sent to Ishtar Sink. -The box is damaged, but no sign of age is given, this does not mean that the box is not old, but I think if it was, it would have been included in this detailed description. Since it is damaged there are a number of possibilities that we can draw: It was done on purpose so that the sender could further impress on us the insignificance of our worlds, or another possibility is that someone tried to stop it from getting to us, or that it endured many hardships in getting to us and traveled a long ways. -The box contains very detailed knowledge of planets in systems far beyond our own, meaning whoever sent them has knowledge of or has traveled to these world. Out of our enemies let us consider who among them would have the knowledge to send this. The Fallen? The Hive? I don;t really think that they are that extensive. The Fallen are just pirates now, a shell of their once noble society, I could not see them doing something so mysterious and intricate even if they did have this knowledge, they would be more straightforward. The Hive.. I don't think anyone actually would even consider them as a suspect. The Cabal? I think their messages would look more like shell rounds, although they do have the knowledge to do it. The Vex? They may have the knowledge, but notice that these contain every [i]habitable[/i] planet. It does not include Mercury, even though we know from the game that the Vex were on there and almost turned it into a machine. So the contents of the box doesn't seem to match the their modus operandi. So we have eliminated all known enemies as a suspect. Which makes sense, none of them would sit down and have a conversation with us I think. So moving on, out of all the other organizations and allies we know which one could possibly have information about the habitable worlds in our universe. There are only two. The Traveler, because it supposedly has knowledge far beyond us and the Nine, mainly because we do not know much about them. For arguments sake lets eliminate the Traveler as a suspect, also somehow don't see it delivering a message in a dented copper box. Consider this bungie chose to name those illusive pieces of armor and weapons Xur sells "exotics." Define exotic: originating in or characteristic of a distant foreign country. Interesting word choice, I have always thought so. In other words, the exotics that we have possibly originated from or were based on technology from a distant world. Maybe not all of them, but most of them. Xur is obviously not human, or Exo, or Awoken. I theorize that the Nine are an alien species, but where are they from. I have come to the following conclusion: The Nine are a collective of extra-terrestrial or possibly even from an alternate plane of existence species that have placed their bets on Humanity/Awokens/Exos so to speak. Perhaps they know that only those aligned with The Traveler are the only ones that can defeat the Darkness and that is why they are selling us their technology, perhaps their motivations are more greedy, or something altogether different. Their motivations elude me, as well as why they sent this message. They were trying to convey something to us, what? Where they saying that we are ignorant since we do not know all these worlds? Were they saying that the universe is insignificant compared to... something else? I think it will be some time before we find out.

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  • let me preface this by saying I'm not trying to attack your post or ideas. Everything below is written in the form of rebuttal, but only because I only posted the vague interpretation I had. More than anything I'm interested to see if an opposing viewpoint can a. bring more people into the discussion or b. add more points for different ideas on the box's origins: I think the fact that the box is literally a message isn't an inarguable truth. The line that says this doesn't say it in absolute terms, and the final passage of the card says "But if so, who is delivering this message?" I think it's arguable that this wasn't necessarily intentionally given to humans. Though I do agree that the card is at least pointing the reader to the question of "who made this and why?" You could make a pretty compelling argument that the box is at least centuries old. If it was studied by the scientists in the Ishtar Collective than it was pre-collapse, which makes the object centuries old in the current time. (The Darkness - "Centuries of debate gave birth to competing arguments on the nature of the Darkness and the Collapse.") While I can't think of a compelling reason for the fallen to have left this, I think they easily could have. We know they can travel between solar systems and have been around for a long time, considering their current fallen from royalty state. (Servitor - "Servitors are living relics of the once-mighty Fallen civilization.")(The Fallen - "they arrived on their massive Ketches in the wake of the Collapse")(The Fallen - "There are hints of ancient nobility to the Fallen - the scars of lost grandeur.") We know the hive exist beyond and communicate outside of our current sollar system (ghost dialog in the Shrine of Oryx Mission), and while there may not be an obvious reason I think magic would be a pretty good method of creating something like this. Cabal have the reach and technology, though I can onlyimagine their giant hands failing to make these and it still makes me giggle. I still believe the Vex is the most compelling creator, considering the location of object and the Ishtar's Collective research into the ruins on Venus and the Vex themselves. Beyond that, if they're directing a message to us via this box than the lack planets that they could inhabit (Mercury) would make sense. It wouldn't have the same meaning if they included any planets their mostly synthetic bodies could live on. I believe outside of the Traveler and The Nine there is at least two, if not three other possible messengers. The Darkness itself. Without a clear idea of what the Darkness is I don't think it can necessarily be excluded. After that would be the Queen. I think you could argue that the Queen has at least access to the knowledge through her interaction with the other species (fallen, and whatever the witches turn out to be) and The Nine themselves (Ghost Fragment: The Queen). Though the Queen's timeframe doesn't make sense as the Awoken were born in the collapse, before the object was being studied. And the shakiest of them all, though certainly more connected to the solar system would be the hypothetical precursor species of Mercury that the Dreams of Alpha Lupi alludes to in (Ghost Fragment: Mercury) Without a good means of excluding most of these you could structure a decent argument for most of these species as having sent the message. As for the Exotic argument, I think it's a great way of looking into Bungie's word usage, but the vast majority of the Exotics have lore that puts their origins and existence solidly in known, post-collapse sources. The armor pieces don't have their own grimoire cards, but even some of these have names that attach them to known origins (like Helm of Saint-14 or Young Ahamkara's Spine or Mk. 44 Stand Asides) Has origin story: SUROS Regime Hard Light Monte Carlo Bad Juju Red Death The Last Word Thorn Universal Remote Invective Pocket Inifinity Ice Breaker Gjallarhorn Truth Thunderlord Super Good Advice Unconfirmed but non-mysterious in origin: MIDA Multi-Tool The Fate of all Fools Plan C Patience and Time Mysterious: Vex Mythoclast (why is it designed for human hands?)

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