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8/5/2014 4:48:29 PM
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Raids, Don't Give In Bungie!
So I've been reading a whole lot of articles about why not having matchmaking for raids is a bad thing and I just can't agree, here's why.
Bungie has stated they don't want this to be content people can just throw themselves at over and over again until some form of success slowly begins to occur (put that in my own words though, not Bungies). They want this to be content that takes effort to organize, if you can organize a team of people to play at the same time you gain a CHANCE at having the organization it'll take to beat this content.
This content is not for every player, I'm sorry everyone feels entitled to ever bit of content that comes with a game but that's not how it works in reality, sorry. Yes you paid for the game, and they are giving you access to the content, the same level of access they are giving EVERYONE else. Whether or not you as a player have the time or patience to access that content the way they set it up is on you.
If everyone where able to access this content whenever they want the next series of complaints you'd hear flooding from everywhere is likely how the content is too hard, and how can they expect a group of 6 strangers to work together at such a high level of play and beat this content.
Also, Bungie has provided us tools to group together and find players for this content. If you plan to raid then you clearly have an internet connection, hell it's required for the game last I checked. So don't tell me you can't hop on the internet for a few minutes and post on the forums, join a group / clan or something to find the players you need to access this content.
Don't be lazy and expect the world to be given to you, if Bungie adopted this lazy attitude of self entitlement they wouldn't be making the great games they do, and they'd be giving us trash like many other developers do, but they aren't. So you can't be either, and if you are, you don't deserve to access the content, it's not meant for you, no matter how that makes you feel on the inside, it's true, deal with it.
That is all. Thanks for the great game Bungie, I really hope you don't back down to all the heat your getting about this. Just think how much heat the Demon's Souls / Dark Souls series got for being so hard and now it's a cult classic. You already have the fan base, the people complaining over this will still buy the game, and they aren't the people that'll be around months, years from now anyways, so don't make the game about them. Do what you knows best, I'm sure you will.
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Edited by TwigTwig: 8/6/2014 12:28:46 PMWho's the real entitled one? Get off your high horse. http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m33y01kNiL1r78gnqo1_500.jpg
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4 RepliesRaids as designed will be excellent. I can't wait to put together a team, recon the run, learn, plan, execute, rise and repeat for the win. There step it up to hard. Most of the noisy, opinionated throng will not have the application, dedication or staying power to work with a dedicated team and learn from their defeats. Strikes are the meat for the masses, raids are for the dedicated.
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I pretty much agree but I think a recruitment chat bar in game would really help the situation. It won't effect me personally because I have a clan in a large alliance already but for those who haven;t really played this type of game an In game chat system could really help.
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4 RepliesYeah bungie don't let people choice to use matchmaking in raids, hopefully others will "choice" to not by the game like me now.
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2 RepliesAmen!
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Edited by Dagimp007: 8/6/2014 1:11:24 PMI have no issue with not having match making as long as you can get equal gear doing other things. if you have an advantage in pvp because you have more people to go raiding with then some one like me who is a lone wolf and only likes playing with a select group of people its a bit unfair if i am left with no other options, cause right now i can guarantee the forums will be flooded with people looking for groups trying to set up times to do these modes. Like i said have match making or not i should have enough to be able to do it but it will just almost be sporadic you shouldn't make the only way into a raid matchmaking, but keep the raids hard and matchmaking at least starts allowing people to find other people at there level and eventually build a group to get through it.
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I like having no match making. I think it really gives you something to strive for. Meeting up with friends and really having to think through the issues. If there is match making most likely people will quit if it takes more than 30 minutes. It's easier if you go through the work of finding a group on your own you're probably willing to take the time to figure out the raid and do it the way it should be done.
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11 RepliesHey, the thing is, why not let them try? DON'T lower the difficulty DON'T give in to people who claim it's too hard but WHY NOT give them a CHANCE to prove themselves/yourself right? Why can't they just use the same system for strikes on raids? They created it, so why can't raids be just a super hard strike under a different name? This is almost the same as how you couldn't customise base player traits in halo 4. Why take stuff out of one part of the game when you evidently already made it? (the ability to customise base player traits was present in forge mode) Let them try. Let them die. What harm could come from that?
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Edited by Striza: 8/6/2014 1:19:56 PMNo matchmaking strengthens the community, thank you Bungie.
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Give us better in-game support to socialize with people. All I ever did on the tower was run into people dancing. There was no way to actually socialize in the "social tower." There are countless threads about people wanting more ways to interact and actually find people to become friends and play with. I have no problem with removing matchmaking if you can give me ways to meet people/form a group in the town. Heck I'd be giddy. But asking people to look through forums to find people seems counterintuitive to "no matchmaking." All you're doing is finding random people on a website to do the Raids. There is no guarantee of their gaming skill, social graces, or even play styles. Plus you wouldn't even know if they were online in the first place when you get to the forums. Give us some resources to help the player instead of limit them.
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Edited by DRAGO: 8/6/2014 1:28:47 PMI don't understand what the issue is with matchmaking. The experience that others have playing with randoms and dying over and over does not diminish your experience playing with your friends. People that say it will cause for a watered down content don't understand that [b]PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE DIFFICULTY ANYWAY. [/b] Just because people complain doesn't mean the raids will be nerfed. The only reason I'm even mad there won't be matchmaking is because I have one friend in real life that will be playing Destiny, and he rarely ever plays. Add that onto the fact that I'm deaf and can't communicate through the console in real time, it will be nearly impossible for me to find friends online or people even willing to raid with me. At that point I'd rather play with randoms. If Bungie had a reason for no matchmaking, such as the raids being far too long for a group of randoms to attempt (4+ hours), then I would understand. But the only reason they've given is it requires "coordination and cooperation," which is a terrible reason.
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4 RepliesOne thing I would like to know. Is the Vault of Glass 16 hours without any save point or break?
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7 RepliesThere needs to be a way to put together and organize groups in the game. It doesn't have to be matchmaking, but there needs to be something. That being said, I agree that no matter what they do, even if they add matchmaking, the most important thing is to NOT compromise the difficulty of the raids. These need to be hard. They need to keep people coming back to chip away at them. I don't think that matchmaking has to mean that content has to become easier. I'm not even entirely convinced that people playing this genre of game would complain if it was super hard, but who knows.
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Edited by CHIRAQ: 8/6/2014 2:06:52 PM
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I agree with you but not as aggressively as you put it. But yes people start complaining about stuff they don't have enough information about. We know very little about the raids. Bungie said its like nothing we've ever seen in a FPS before. To be able to create something like that and for people to be able to enjoy it bungie must have gone thru some debating and thinking ending up with this as the best solution. To be able to implement something new and challenging like this they have to stick to their plan. Also, this is no early content we're talking about. It's late game so by then you will have friends. If not you'll make it a priority to create friends.
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Edited by LtJohn5: 8/6/2014 2:21:59 PMI'm so mad.... They should just give out exotics at level 5!!!! Why do I have to lvl to 20 to get legendary gear?!? WTF?!? Waaaaaaaaahhhhh!! Why do u have to do hard challenges to get the best stuff? Why can't u just group up with randoms to go the raid? Why do I have to make an effort to speak with people to group up??!? Sound kind of silly? Sigh...
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Very, very well put. People think that just because they pay for the game they are entitled to bring about changes so the content fits them. I for one am glad Bungie is taking this risk.
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3 RepliesThere is not one good reason to not allow match making. People believe that this will inevitably lead to the reduction in quality of the raids, or ruin them altogether. THIS IS NOT AN MMO, so stop comparing it to one. Bungie could do match making, and maintain the integrity. People will figure out anyways that the best way to do this is to play with friends anyway. But, these threads only accomplish one thing: pissing people off. Bungie is not going to budge on this, so no reason to start fights with everyone. I have already started making friends for this purpose, and others can too. And people need to stop posting this bullshit.
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4 RepliesEdited by MR E0S: 8/6/2014 2:40:56 PMIn other words, Destiny has just become a form of the "Big Brother" game. Your enjoyment of the game rest entirely on the social aspect of the game. Your ability to take part in the content of a game that you paid for, just like everyone else, has had an artificial and pointless social barrier put up around it. Welcome to the Facebook Culture of gaming. I'm done with gaming. I'm a Lone Wolf, and Proud of it.. -blam!- YOU BUNGIE! I never needed to communicate in any game to become successful at it. I prefer not to communicate. It's a waste of breath most times. And most communication that I observe between "Organized" groups, can barely classify as communication anyway. 1. You call something out, I'm most likely not paying attention to what you called out in the first place, let alone in a position to do anything about it. 2. Most communication comes down to someone screaming out something whenever they die. 3. Common Sense is all you really need. Especially when most games provide enough information in the UI that communication is unnecessary. 4. You're just jumping to the conclusion as everyone else, that Randoms can and will accomplish the task of completing raids. At a large and alarming rate. This will happen... no doubt about it. The only thing you need to do, is get the -blam!- over it, and realize that a group of Randoms just made your Organized group look like a bunch of losers, because they didn't requires months of planning to do so. Skill and winning just comes naturally instead of through work.
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3 RepliesEdited by lordvikagaming: 8/6/2014 3:02:12 PMWhen i read this post all i see is blah blah blah, I'm an elitist player and i fell that only i deserve the best gear and weapons, even though everyone paid for the game only the elite player base should be entitled to get the really good stuff. Matchmaking for raids might be a good option for a lot of the player base, simply because there are people that either just got a system, since there are destiny bundles nd parent might buy say a white ps4/destiny bundle for there kids as there first console. Now this person has there first console ever and has no friends on it. How are they supposed to do a raid if there is no matchmaking? Not to mention that there is a part of any player base that doesn't join clans and likes to play as a "lone wolf", how would they be able do raids? For anyone to suggest that any part of a game that a person paid for is just so egotistical that it makes me laugh. In the entire history of video games, weather it was a paid game or free to play, i have never seen any part of the game that was restricted just because you were playing solo. Now think about if you went out and bought something and because you wre alone you counldn't use it, would you be happy about that?
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2 RepliesAlthough, I completely agree with you OP, the same argument can be put against timed exclusives; I paid just as much as a playstation player, why don't I have the same access to the content?
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Some folks don't understand the difference between a start up community vs Seasoned community. Everyone who just bought the game out of hype, boredom, or are sheep will leave in like 3 months.Those of us wanting to do the raids will make time to find a group of like minded players.
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I support this,stand strong for high risk\reward raids and not casul jump in\out raids. Why they created strikes,for the grindwhores.
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Raiding is sooooooo much better when you have a group of friends / guildies. PUGs are usually ok for easy Raids, but for the good stuff it is 100% better with a pre-made group IMO.
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54 RepliesWhere do I even begin dismantling your obscenely baseless argument against there being a system that supports voluntarily participating in a game with other people voluntarily participating in that same game rather than... well... NOT participating. Odd how harmless and logical that sounds, isn't it? Remind me how this system would adversely affect someone who has no intention of using it? Oh, that's right... it wouldn't affect you at all. Hmmm. Basically, you're sticking your nose where it doesn't belong. You don't need matchmaking? So be it. Don't use it. If others think they will need it, they are entitled to voice that foreseeable necessity--or at least personal preference--within a game they are just as much a "valued and paying participant" of as you are. Here's the scary part. On perhaps a more simplified and honest level, what you're doing here is revealing of your own fascist paradigm. It's as if you're stating, "What's adequate for me is adequate for all. To be different than me is to be discluded." You're wrong on all accounts and what's worse is that you're taking that position over something as frivolous as a game. I wouldn't even venture to guess how self-serving and ignorant your more sociologically impactful opinions could be. Needless to say, I don't think you have a clue what you're really talking about here. Next time you might just be presumptuous enough to expect your unsolicited opinion will garnish public embarrassment and save yourself the effort. I won't sit here and call you an idiot, but you sure as hell made yourself look plenty stupid. Here's a good rule to go by in life, on or off the internet; if it doesn't effect you, keep your mouth shut.
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72 RepliesEdited by DivineJustiniaV: 8/6/2014 3:19:14 PMExpecting to play a particular game mode that is included for everyone across all platforms is hardly the same as being "entitled" [quote]that's not how it works in reality[/quote] Good thing this is a video game amirite?
