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8/5/2014 4:48:29 PM
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Raids, Don't Give In Bungie!
So I've been reading a whole lot of articles about why not having matchmaking for raids is a bad thing and I just can't agree, here's why.
Bungie has stated they don't want this to be content people can just throw themselves at over and over again until some form of success slowly begins to occur (put that in my own words though, not Bungies). They want this to be content that takes effort to organize, if you can organize a team of people to play at the same time you gain a CHANCE at having the organization it'll take to beat this content.
This content is not for every player, I'm sorry everyone feels entitled to ever bit of content that comes with a game but that's not how it works in reality, sorry. Yes you paid for the game, and they are giving you access to the content, the same level of access they are giving EVERYONE else. Whether or not you as a player have the time or patience to access that content the way they set it up is on you.
If everyone where able to access this content whenever they want the next series of complaints you'd hear flooding from everywhere is likely how the content is too hard, and how can they expect a group of 6 strangers to work together at such a high level of play and beat this content.
Also, Bungie has provided us tools to group together and find players for this content. If you plan to raid then you clearly have an internet connection, hell it's required for the game last I checked. So don't tell me you can't hop on the internet for a few minutes and post on the forums, join a group / clan or something to find the players you need to access this content.
Don't be lazy and expect the world to be given to you, if Bungie adopted this lazy attitude of self entitlement they wouldn't be making the great games they do, and they'd be giving us trash like many other developers do, but they aren't. So you can't be either, and if you are, you don't deserve to access the content, it's not meant for you, no matter how that makes you feel on the inside, it's true, deal with it.
That is all. Thanks for the great game Bungie, I really hope you don't back down to all the heat your getting about this. Just think how much heat the Demon's Souls / Dark Souls series got for being so hard and now it's a cult classic. You already have the fan base, the people complaining over this will still buy the game, and they aren't the people that'll be around months, years from now anyways, so don't make the game about them. Do what you knows best, I'm sure you will.
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4 RepliesEdited by Velka's Crow: 8/6/2014 2:06:17 AMFinally someone who gets it. I think it's ironic that people are saying that everyone who wants raids to not have a match making feature are selfish. The game has something for everyone, raids are the only thing tailored to the hardcore crowd and people want to ruin the one thing we have by adding a match making system to it. The rest of the game is tailored to casual/competitive players, so who's being selfish here? For the people that still can't understand that concept it'd be the same as PvP players getting Bungie to make all explore and mission areas an open battlefield like DayZ because they feel they don't have enough maps to play on. I can understand that people want better in game communication and I feel like a proximity chat would be a good option, if someone is being annoying you mute them end of story, but to complain about it being too hard to put together a raiding team without one? Come on people, stop being so pathetically lazy. You have BNet and XBL/PSN at your disposal, two completely viable and easy to use systems. Too hard to find people who would want to raid? Strikes are basically the little brothers of raids, play a few missions, find solid players, and shoot them a message inquiring about whether or not they'd want to raid with you. Is that really so -blam!-ing hard or are you guys just that -blam!-ing lazy?
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I completely agree mm would kill raids in the beta alone I got 10 friend requests its not hard to find people to play with at all. Its not anyone's fault but there own if they dont have friends people are out there
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I agree. I hope they stick to their guns. I can't wait to play some truly hard content.
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1 ReplyIf six randoms can make it through the raid, more power to them. Matchmaking should still be an option. Just don't change the difficultly and make team voice the default.
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4 Repliesive said this over and over, who says its ALWAYS going to be 6 strangers? What if you have 5 people and just need 1 more. In a game where communication is horrible (so far), its pretty stupid to have to come to a forum while im in game and see if people want to raid. Or to randomly invite people to my friends list who i see dancing in the tower, wait for a response, then ask if they want to raid. I dont want to sit there for 30 minutes looking for 1 or 2 people. MM would solve that issue. If you are worried about them crying about how hard the content it, they could easily warn the player with big scary fonts at how hard the content is. Or have MM only available if you meet a Light requirement. Or even have it only available in hard mode if you have already beaten normal mode. Like you, i have seen many threads about this. And the people against MM always try to use fancy metaphors and verbal jiu jitsu to hide the actual reason you dont want MM. And thats because you dont want a pug to get carried in a raid and have him get the fancy gun it took you and your friends hours and hours of attempts to get. Thats the REAL reason you guys dont want MM. At the end of the day, this is a game. And i would like to spend my time actually playing it, not spending time trying to find someone to raid with.
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7 RepliesI like a challenge, I really hope I can't do this to any other boss in Destiny.
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I completely agree with you on the matchmaking issue i talk about this issue in my video check it out if you want I would appreciate it https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyLcBT8uarT5Bs79kQ8xsOQ
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Now tell me something you said its not for 6strangers?? So if you go on the forum and post something or join any clan arent you also playing with strangers then?? So that reason doesnt make sense people will play with strangers if there is mm or not
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10 Replies1) They don't want people to throw themselves at the content until they complete it? That is exactly what a raid is. You try it, learn it, and finally complete it. If a group of people were to complete this task, no matter how that group was formed, they deserved it. 2) The content in a video game should be accessible by anyone who bought it. They paid for it, so they deserve the right to attempt it. This should be easily accessible via in game means, not having arbitrary stipulations or forcing people to use a third party system (this forum included). 3) They could make it so only the easier mode can be done with matchmaking. They could also put a non-skippable 5 second warning stating that it is strongly preferred to have a premade group. If anyone complains, they were warned. 4) Justifying a system purely based on someone being able to do it through outside means is lazy. Why not drop matchmaking from everything if this were the case? You can find enough people to fill out the crucible, explore, and strikes on the internet. Using your logic for raids, we should remove matchmaking altogether. 5) This is not the world being given to people. This is content within a game that has unnecessary road blocks for the sense of having road blocks. Every single person who buys this game has the right to play it. It's not like raids require you to complete some difficult task to unlock them, and people are complaining about that. No, this is making a system a hindrance when there is basically ZERO in game communication. I also enjoy seeing how all these anti-matchmaking arguments end up bring up one point again and again. That people don't DESERVE to play a VIDEO GAME. Who the hell do you think you are? This is nuts, an absolute absurd statement of people so damn selfish that other people shouldn't even be allowed to PLAY a video game to HAVE FUN if they don't want to go balls to the wall. Seriously, who the -blam!- are you to tell anyone what they can or cannot do IN A VIDEO GAME. As for difficulty, I hope this raid truly is as hard as they say it is, and I would have no issue with that. Difficulty is still no excuse for not having at least some system in game that people can use. Now, if they set up some chat system that's unobtrusive (what they wanted to avoid), or bring in a lobby to set up fireteams with similar goals easily, then fine. But unless they do, don't pretend that having a socially limited raid in a social game that has NO social features whatsoever is a good idea.
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Its all about exclusivity and the barrier that noob'd will never break through to become legend
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Edited by Fury : 8/6/2014 3:23:58 AMI'm with you man I really hope they don't give in. I hope they dont make it easier either. The vault of glass should be something we have to earn! Even if that mean something as hard (sighs) as making online friends.
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Exactly how I feel! Are you on xbox 1 btw?
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6 RepliesI find it funny how almost everyone thinks that Destiny will be the best seller, when it has some havy competicion by some other games that already have a comminuty establish as well as corefans. Eventually raid will have matchmaking because sales will be hurt by all this new games coming out and people not buying the game until, they hear reviews, and people canceling do to lack of matchmaking in raids.
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Is like a race btwn me and x person to see who can take a box of oranges to the top floor of a (example) 4 floors building, and the winer gets a exotic one of a kind car. The ruels say that the person who can get there box to the 4th floor first wins, but the ruels dont say how do i have to acomplish that, so x person may take their box and start to carry it, but I may pay some one more atlecthic and fit to carry my box for me, or pay a craind to lift mr and my box to the 4th floor. I still did it but i won because i was able to get my box faster.
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49 RepliesEdited by xMr Poor: 8/6/2014 4:00:55 AMYou're seriously arguing against matchmaking? Newsflash: you're not special, you're not good at the game, you're not more "hardcore" than anyone else. Why should content that people paid for be off limits to them simply because they don't have 5 friends on at the same time? The game is going to be easy because their idea of increasing the difficulty is just turning the AI into bullet sponges. It only requires more tedious time to beat it, not more skill. Get over yourself.
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Are you proposing that those organized into groups are not to be allowed to throw themselves over and over again at the task? The highly organized and skilled elite group that took six hours to beat the situation they faced did so in just one raid? It is evident to anyone with any ability to think that multiple approaches is the tactic ANY organized group will take. Put your reputation where your mouth has taken you. Limit yourself to just one attempt, after that count the effort as a failure. This whole topic is being fed and kept alive by those who wish to see Call of Duty resurrect into Destiny.
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I honestly don't have a problem with a matchmaking system for raiding. If they make one I probably won't use it because I have people to play with, but that doesn't mean other people won't find it helpful. I've read a lot about how matchmaking will "ruin raiding for the hardcore audience", but honestly, if you're not using matchmaking to raid anyways then how does it effect you? Live and let live baby! Raid with your buds and let the people who don't have buds raid with strangers who might become buds!
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5 RepliesI agree. I have said this before, but maybe give the casuals a lower difficulty with lower quality loot? The people who want the best gear will form a premade fire team and smash themselves into the harder content.
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+1 Join a clan now or join later or be recruited in the wastelands while smashing down some 101 proof drink after a hard day at the office.
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10 RepliesEdited by aboniks: 8/6/2014 4:56:01 AMLuke Smith gave a very specific reason that he, as the lead designer, decided that raid match-making wasn't going to be present in the release. [b]What was it?[/b]
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1 ReplyFeel free to blast me with hate mail but I have an idea. Match making between fire teams. Most of the game supports your three man team. By the time you will be able to attempt a raid you should have a close cooperative team. So will other players. So if you can't get six people together team up with three other skilled players. There is no garuntee they will fit well with you but it gives you a fighting chance.
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5 RepliesStick with it Bungie! You guys know what a great game takes and this is it. Don't let the casuals take what was meant for the pros!
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Edited by thefartassassin: 8/6/2014 5:42:52 AM[quote]ive said this over and over, who says its ALWAYS going to be 6 strangers? What if you have 5 people and just need 1 more. In a game where communication is horrible (so far), its pretty stupid to have to come to a forum while im in game and see if people want to raid. Or to randomly invite people to my friends list who i see dancing in the tower, wait for a response, then ask if they want to raid. I dont want to sit there for 30 minutes looking for 1 or 2 people. MM would solve that issue. If you are worried about them crying about how hard the content it, they could easily warn the player with big scary fonts at how hard the content is. Or have MM only available if you meet a Light requirement. Or even have it only available in hard mode if you have already beaten normal mode. Like you, i have seen many threads about this. And the people against MM always try to use fancy metaphors and verbal jiu jitsu to hide the actual reason you dont want MM. And thats because you dont want a pug to get carried in a raid and have him get the fancy gun it took you and your friends hours and hours of attempts to get. Thats the REAL reason you guys dont want MM. At the end of the day, this is a game. And i would like to spend my time actually playing it, not spending time trying to find someone to raid with.[/quote] -shoemaker55
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6 RepliesQuick question if you go to a forum to find a team how it's that any different than matchmaking, except for adding extra steps? Also if they include matchmaking none is forcing you to use it. The debate about this is honestly baffling to me matchmaking is just another tool to form fireteams why would you want to take that option away?
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I completely support the no raid matchmaking. They've got their vision and hopefully they'll stick by it
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This is one of those moments where Bungie really shouldn't listen to their community. No matchmaking in raids Bungie. Some people might rage but they're still going to buy the game.
