Also for warlocks and titans?

Yes I main titan. Make a tangle. Use it as a grapple point. Use grapple for AOE melee for free. You can make a tangle every 10 seconds. They stay for a very long time if you don’t shoot or smash them. I played a public event today where everyone was making tangles and we spider manned around. Strand has a few different loops to combat. It pretty open and I’m finding it very fun personally.

Ive been playing on my hunter mostly and it feels freaking awesome. I use the woven mail exotic and found out that the dive combined with a danger zone grenade launcher is quite a good add clearer. Im still looking for a way to extend the titan melee, but have yet to find some good mods. The melee kickstart doesnt seem to work really well. Do you maybe know?

Absolutely. Mind you I haven’t optimized anything yet but I can tell you what I’ve started messing with. Two fragments in specific. So I would recommend the fragment “thread of fury” it gives melee energy for damaging a target with a tangle. This gives a significant amount of melee energy. Remember too your melee ability applies sever to targets so they will unravel into a tangle on death. Also the fragment “thread of warding” for weave mail on orb pick up. Combine this with heavy handed, on gloves, so you make an orb on melee kill. So know you get a tangle, weave mail. Additionally, you could add invigoration on legs for melee cooldown on orb pick up. You don’t need to get the kill with the melee. I use a shotgun with tench or swashbuckler. Have in a Helmet orb mod and your still on that loop of orb/tangle/weave generation. Throw on 1-2 punch for melee kill. Fragment “thread of wisdom” is great for orbs too. Precision headshot on suspended targets. Use it with orb on kill after barricade for two quick orbs. Synthos are great for nuking, new exotic legs are fun. Gonna mess with worm gods today. Haven’t tested to see if grapple melee makes orbs yet. Suppression made synergies with this well too. Combine with what new fragment that regents nade on weapon damage to stun lock champs. I used this for my solo flawless lost sector run yesterday. Sorry for tl;dr. Hope it helps. P.s. there is a bug with load outs some mods need to be swapped out to work so that way be the issue you where having. Or alternatively save the same load out twice and swap.

No, the issue that im having isnt because of mod swaps, but a far dumber, longer existing problem that all classes with multiple melee charges have. Melee kickstart activates when your melee charge is fully expended, but titans have multiple melee charges so its never fully expended. You cant pair it with heavy handed and invigoration, because picking up an orb makes your melee not fully expended anymore, so the perk wont procc. The only way to activate it is if you have exactly 1 melee charge and then you melee something. Also, ive been doing some testing with the combination of melee kickstart and charged up. 1 x melee kickstart gives 35% energy back 3 x melee kickstart and 3 x charged up gives 50% energy back I know the perks say diminishing returns for equipping extra mods, but damn, this 15% doesnt outweigh the heavy amount of mod investment and set-up up that is required to procc it.

The big issue is, grappling anywhere else but Neomuna makes grapple useless due to the tangle's not being anywhere but Neomuna.

Half the time it grapples next to the tangle Doesn’t lock on