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10/11/2019 11:56:27 AM
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To everyone commenting about how lower skilled players should be excluded from competetive.
Everyone starts somewhere, and EVERYONE including you narsasistic mindset should be allowed to play. It's the whole meaning of competitive.
There is always someone that's going to be better than you regardless of how good you are.
Who do you think you are to say that a certain band of people have no right to play on the sole basis they are not as skilled as you.
Having skilled based matchmaking means that everyone gets a chance to play.
My favourite games have always been ones where the teams are almost equally matched. Sure it can be fun to stomp the other into the ground occasionally as it it gives you a sense of self-confidence. But winning against a team equal to that of yourself is so fulfilling.
Let me ask you the this. If you were pitted against a team with a skill level far greater than your own and you had a roughly 5% chance of winning, every single match would you honestly find it fun and keep playing?, because in the end it's all we really play for isn't it?
I just don't see why it bothers everyone that much. You play against people your skill level and they'll playing against people theirs and as either improve they'll verse higher skilled players and visa versa.
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Totally agree, who cares if some one of lesser rank makes it to a level of even say 5500 in comp against players of there own skill? These pinnacle weapons and scores have made it very toxic. Its a dang video game and one that is not a professional gaming league game even. I'm not saying just give things away to everyone, there still needs to be matchmaking with players slightly better than you and slightly worse. For the first season ever I made it to over 2100 playing solo and it was far easier doing it solo than with team matchmaking. I also found it to be pretty even most games, there were a few badly matched games where we rolled the other team but most were pretty even and Im a very average player. Note if you look me up my PS4 tag is actually Grendel023 not my Bungie sign in name.
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That would be nice if lower skilled players were excluded from Competitive. I wouldn’t have to go into Comp ever again for a Ritual weapon. They ruined it for me by going full on Survival. Clash and Control were the only things keeping me in Comp last season
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Apparently you have not get into a match with rookies who leave the game because they could not kill anyone in the first round!! This is not skill base mm if you verify the players skill on the app you will see 1 is a slayer 1 is average and one is low level !!! This is not kill base mm!!!
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that only happens at the first ranks . lower ranks will always be like that . the higher u go tge better the skill if players . i ran into the leaving stuf for only a couple matches then i started getting ranked with mythic rankers . just play the game out the best u can and u will be matched accordingly unless u are a potatoe bec even during a 2/3 i was carrying my team and went super positive bec the enemy team were trash but after that i was playing my skill and none of that non sense ever happened again
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Edited by Majin_Buu91: 10/12/2019 12:53:27 PMi’m terrible at this games PvP and monday i decided to do the Luna’s quest because of the easier rank changes they made to it. And i was done Thursday after grinding for about 20 hours... i noticed that i got better how more i played and went from 0,55 k/d to 0,70 in comp, still bad but it went up 😄 I was fabled before the “rumble” quest step and i even won a rumble match... the 100 hedshots was done in like 2,5 hours playing... What i more found out is that how greater the players how more they hide and camp and only move when they have heavy... alot of cowards in PvP but also some great players who destroyed me with legit skill...
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To a certain extent it can be cowardice but sometimes it's also strategic though of course there are certain people who can single handedly eviscerate a fireteam with no shield and a travelers chosen...but we dont talk about those people...it only summons them.
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Agreed.
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No one should be excluded. Whatever you are calling 'low-skill' players should simply match with and against other 'low-skill' players. There is nothing competitive about guardians of one skill level matching with or against guardians of 'higher skill' levels.
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Completely agree. No (rational) person is saying to exclude anyone but instead to fix their matchmaking so that we have actual competition and as fair as it can be when it comes to bungie trying to "balance" (lol) lobbies.
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It's sad but 'balance' in this game will never be achieved
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Edited by FdYAcsoyPKN83gLE: 10/11/2019 4:19:18 PM
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Edited by ALBOBOSS: 10/11/2019 5:48:41 PMWhy? You are playing for the same rewards so how is sbmm fair? Suppose we have an NBA team and a recreational basketball team. They are both competing with similarly skilled opponents in their respective leagues. Do they both fight for a chance at the NBA title? Sbmm in comp disincentivises player improvement. Why try to improve when you won't even be able to tell the difference? Your rank will be the same with many that will be less skilled. You will have a hard time telling if you actually improve because the game is constantly adjusting your skill and matching you accordingly. You will get the same rewards no matter performance all the while being punished with more latency.
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Believe it or not, people will get better a lot faster competing with similar skill and slowly moving up with progress than they will just constantly getting stomped! And your analogy is just silly, no gun or armor in this game should be locked away unless you can beat a third party ( your competition) I understand the whole best rewards from most challenging activity but pvp is not a challenging activity in itself but dependent on who you go up against, what your connection is like, if you have good teammates.. If you want to differentiate scrubs from gods, do titles or banners that they will gloat over and regular players could give a shit less for.
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[quote]Believe it or not, people will get better a lot faster competing with similar skill and slowly moving up with progress than they will just constantly getting stomped! [/quote] Comp is not for people to get better but to compete. If you want to practice, you can do it in rumble or quickplay. [quote] And your analogy is just silly, no gun or armor in this game should be locked away unless you can beat a third party ( your competition) [/quote] Please explain how my analogy is silly when this is the case in all facets of life. [quote] I understand the whole best rewards from most challenging activity but pvp is not a challenging activity in itself but dependent on who you go up against, what your connection is like, if you have good teammates.. [/quote] Pvp in high level comp (4000+) was consistently challenging because whoever made it there was in some way or another, a seasoned player and fairly skilled at pvp. This was when we had ranked matchmaking, before Bungie gave in to the people crying and demending they be given a handout. [quote] If you want to differentiate scrubs from gods, do titles or banners that they will gloat over and regular players could give a shit less for.[/quote] I'd prefer this and ranked based matchmaking rather than sbmm in comp.
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I don't know that I would call a gun that was seen destroying people all the time in quickplay, and seen absolutely melting Calus ( watch Cammy Cakes video) something people were crying for. Actual rewards in a game should be available by beating the content, not some other player.
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Pve is content just as much as pvp. Pvp players don't complain when they have to farm pve for God rolled pvp weapons. Not forgotten was nerfed so its completely useless in pve now, but even before, there were far quicker ways to kill calus.
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I'm not complaining about " having" to play pvp, or even comp., truth be told I prefer pvp above any pve content for some time now. This conversation is about allowing players to complete in an actual competitive environment against players of their own caliber. And once again, a pvp player being forced to play pve for a reward knows going in that they will get it fairly painlessly (rng excluded) You have groups to help, content creators basically showing exactly how and no task really even that hard to do.. Think of the comparison you make as a pvp player being forced to do zero hour, 100 light below level and at solo... It can be done and out break is a high level reward after all.
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I'd prefer Bungie implement true skill based matchmaking until fabled and ranked based matchmaking from fabled to legend. This new idiotic matchmaking is mix and matching highly skilled players with lower skilled players to balance the teams and is detrimental to both. It's also heavily discouraging the lower skilled players because they can't contribute to the game. I think reaching legend should be reserved for the skilled and dedicated pvp players. I dislike how quickly I climbed the ranks this season; it feels almost artificial.
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I would have to agree with you on the artificial feel. I have tried like hell for fabeled for two seasons and never made it, then I am there in two days this season. ( I believe Bungie wants to flood the game with Recluse then need it into the ground.) I was hoping that the way I matched to that point would stay somewhat consistent, obviously get harder as you go but that I might actually be able to try to get not forgotten. I just want to try the gun, I know it is no longer great but I would like to get it, I do not care at all about my rank or title as I know I am just average or below. Those game were exactly what I was hoping for up to fabeled, close and fun. At 3k glory, I hit a brick wall and am now back to 2400 ish. It is no longer fun and I agree the matchmaking is shit, not sure how to fix it but telling low skilled players they have no right to play and get the gun suck, I agree, keep the titles for those who actually earn it but the guns should be obtained through the effort of playing.. revoker was set up perfectly, I hope they continue that way in the future.
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They can make a quest like they did with the broadsword for people dedicated enough to grind it. Having it does not really show anything at this point because many have gotten it through cheating, which Bungie does not police or punish.
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Ok, let me explain because while you are correct that life is a lot of competition, a new karate student can compete in a tournament, get experience and gain confidence, they are not thrown against a professional fighter until if ever they reach that rank, they can however compete and enjoy it .
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Preach bro Preach
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Preach!!
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Very good
