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3/14/2019 11:38:08 PM
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[quote]Forsaken was a flop?[/quote]
Yes it was.
Whatever about sales, player population is tracking at or below the same points of Y1, which according to Forsaken stans was a complete disaster, etc. And it's on a downward trend in general, notwithstanding a bump this week while people log in to see what they're getting for their money. Expect it to be flatlining further in a fortnight.
Activision didn't cut Destiny loose because it was thriving.
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Activision is also one of the biggest examples of corporate greed in the industry. While Forsaken might have been a "flop" from their perspective, are you seriously going to say it was a bad expansion?
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Bungie knew exactly who ATVI was when they hopped in bed with them. Try that line of defense elsewhere. It doesn’t fly to an unbiased observer. No, I don’t believe Forsaken was a flop. I DO think BA and this season are flops, huge ones. Maybe not to scale wrt CoO. But focusing only on end game content with no new strikes, pvp modes or maps, nightfalls, planets etc..., is a really bad idea. It was stale at 3 months, it’s still stale at 6 months. That’s the bottom line.
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[quote]Bungie knew exactly who ATVI was when they hopped in bed with them. Try that line of defense elsewhere. It doesn’t fly to an unbiased observer.[/quote] It wasn't a defense, it was a dismissal. Bungie was dropped by ATVI because ATVI would rather have e.g. Vicarious Visions making Candy Crush 2.0 over Warmind 2.0. I would not use ATVI dropping a studio as an excuse of poor financial decisions. I agree that BA was pretty whelming. Joker's Wild is shaping up to be a lot better.
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No, lol, I try to never make a comparison from ATVI to Bungie, or their decisions wrt the why’s, where’s and who’s. I would only be guessing with absolutely nothing to go on. My point was simple, Bungie knew what it was doing, they didn’t go into the contract unaware of how ATVI does business. As far as why Bungie and ATVI separated, ask 1,000 ppl, you’ll get 1,000 different answers. None of my input to that conversation would be unique, lol. It happened, it’s that simple. ATVI isn’t an evil conglomerate, they are simply a publicly traded video game company. Bungie isn’t evil and out to get we gamers, they are simply a privately held video game developer. Streamers aren’t evil! lol. I just remember them all leaving, saying hasta lluego Bungie and Destiny gamers. So, I know what their priorities are, they stated it publicly, it’s pleasing those that sub them. They would be ecstatic if their subs doubled and Bungie’s dlc/annual sales numbers were cut in half. Streamers are biased towards their pocketbooks. It’s not evil, nor is it bad, but it doesn’t mean their voice is what’s best for THIS game’s overall, long term health. It’s that simple.
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Edited by d3benway: 3/15/2019 8:25:59 AM[quote]are you seriously going to say it was a bad expansion?[/quote] Yes I am. I had my issues like a lot of other people with Y1, but having been a daily player since mid-D1 Forsaken was the first time that I actively decided to never play Destiny again because it had turned into a joyless Skinner Box. Seems like I was ahead of the curve on that and a lot of people got blinded by their honeymoon period with the new content, some of which I liked ... even though the plot and the voice acting made me cringe out of my skin, but that's another story. Anyway, in the past month or so I've seen a *lot* of longstanding fans quitting and echoing what I thought from more or less day 1 of Forsaken - tedious, pointless and unrewarding grind, unnecessarily protracted, time gating, reliance on FOMO, etc. A lot of the complaints in this thread match my experience pretty closely.
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Fair enough.
