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Edited by Evskii:
10/12/2018 2:44:07 PM
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Cluster Strat isn’t a “Cheese”
It’s maxing out DPS and using classes to their max potential. If you consider that a cheese, please never play another MMO of any sort because everyone will hate you and I don’t want you to have to deal with that. Literally the entire point of games like this are to min max your character and use them to their fullest potential.
Now if you had to glitch something to get it to work, I’d say it’s definitely a cheese. But you don’t have to glitch anything. Just pump out enough DPS with the correct load out.
Edit: as per request I’m clearing something up. I don’t think destiny is a full blown mmo but it is an mmo lite.
Edit 2: to be clear, I consider a cheese anything that glitches the game in some way. For example, pushing atheon of the ledge is a cheese because you skip damage to him. Riven isn’t a cheese because you still have to do the damage to her. That’s just my opinion obviously
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25 RepliesI couldn't agree more. It's not as though anybody can do it like the Atheon or Crota cheese. You need to get the stack all the buffs properly and be at a high enough level to actually pull it off. It's annoying hearing people complain about it when they can simply choose to run it the long way if they like. A lot of the people complaining are doing so because they are not a high enough level yet and instead of making their own group try to join on a group specifically asking for a high light level.
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10 RepliesAfter looking at it on you tube I'm afraid it kinda is if your doing something that gets rid of the mechanics of the boss fight it's a bit of a cheese in my opinion
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3 RepliesEdited by WulfPak666: 10/12/2018 12:28:02 PMTo me a "Cheese" especially in Destiny (more over D1) was any type of bug or glitch that made an encounter extremely 1 sided where the player was put into a position where you basically couldn't die and could output DPS unharmed or able to skip an entire mechanic all together. Examples: - Hiding under stairs in Archon Priest strike - Hiding in broken window on Prime Servitor strike - Sniping Phogoth through the doorway with armor piercing snipers. - Shooting Rockets McDickface from behind the boxes by the stairs - shoot oracles from top of spawn - Pushing Atheon or Templar off the edge - Flying over the Bridge - Shooting Ir Yut with icebreaker through the floor - Disconnecting on Crota - hiding under the floor for warsat in Giant Shank strike. Some cheese in D2 - The old Lost sector faction token farm on EDZ where you could just run back and forth through the door - No add spawn in Calus room - sparrow clipping into Whisper final boos room and shooting them from the ceiling some cheesy cheese
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2 RepliesIf cluster bombs are somehow bugged to do more damage than they should then it’s a cheese. If not then it’s no cheese
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5 RepliesReminds me of the Golgoroth 6-orb strat elitists. The challenge mode shut those guys up. Not a cheese. Strategy.
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1 ReplyI agree.. its a mistake to start punishing players and the community for finding better ways to beat things.. There is no CHEESE by using buffs and weapons implemented in the game. In their video promoting forsaken, the dev's stated "some of these supers will break the game and we love it"... well we are just using those as intended and it shouldnt be touched imo
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1 ReplyEdited by Rogue_Eagle: 10/11/2018 5:02:26 PMIt's definitely not a cheese. Here's why. Bungie designed the fight to be 3 people on one side and 3 people on another. However, they allow 6 people to be on one side. There is no restriction on how many people you can have on either side. If you had never done this fight before, what is telling groups to split three and three? There is NOTHING telling you you HAVE to have 3 people on each side, nor is there anything saying you can't have 6 people. If you were figuring out this fight, maybe groups would have logically concluded to split 3 and 3, but there's nothing forcing you to do it this way that you're circumventing. This only works because you can have all 6 people doing damage at once. Regardless of weapon (GG, ratking, rockets) they're only doing enough damage because of the number of guardians, which is not restricted in any way. The only way they can prevent this is to put in a new mechanic/barrier/preventive measure to restrict both sides to 3 individuals, which they failed to do initially because they never thought people would just put 6 people on one side. So, that's on Bungie. For one, they didn't think people would put 6 on one side. Two, even if they thought that, they didn't think they could do enough damage fast enough to wipe Riven. They were wrong on both accounts. That's on them.
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3 RepliesWhen you do a strike to you take you time with the boss so you can experience the full mechanics or melt him? When you gambit do to take your time with the primeval or drop a well and ep it as fast as you can? When you do a lost sector to you kill all the enemies then the boss to see what he can do or just melt him? When you do Riven do you.......see my point? It’s not a cheese 🧀 it’s using all the abilities that the game gives you to do the best possible DPS.
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18 RepliesThe actual question is why the hell does anyone care how someone else beats the raid? You still get your gear for doing it how you want to do it. It doesn't cheapen your run at all. It takes a dedicated, well organized team to even GET to Riven, if people wanna skip a bunch of setpieces then let them. I've never done the cluster bomb method, but if it was late and I had work in the morning you best believe I'm doing it. And I won't be the least bit ashamed of it. People are using the mechanics and subclasses the developer gave them. That isn't cheesing, it's good teamwork. Good on them The elitism in these forums is laughable. "You will never be on my level"? REALLY. Over a video game? Oh, and before you talk even the slightest bit of noise you better inspect my characters, I've been through the raid plenty, trust me.
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20 RepliesHere's the thing: Is running a 4-stack Comp team with mics, meta loadouts, and team strats "cheesing" PvP? Is playing to win, in itself, a "cheap" move? The only people who have an issue with how someone [u]else[/u] completes a Raid are people who weren't smart/efficient enough to figure it out themselves and spent way too long doing it the hard way, or people who don't Raid at all and are just jealous. It's a video game, do whatcha wanna.
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Edited by Nickel7Dime: 10/13/2018 11:00:16 AMIn a gaming scene the word cheese is used to describe strategies or ways of playing that are really powerful and do not require much skill from the players side at the same time. The term is widely used both in video games and tabletop games alike. Sorry but you are wrong. I would suggest double checking the meaning of something before making a post about it. At the same time your personal definition doesnt actually fit the actual definition at all, which means you are actually using the incorrect word to describe what you mean. An exploit would be much close of a word to what you mean, however even that is debatable since exploits do not in anyway have to be the taking advantage of bugs or glitches. Like it or not, this riven strategy is without a doubt a cheese, and it has been referred to as such, correctly.
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You pulled cords on Crota didn't you ?
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It's an exploit
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1 ReplyIf you don't think skipping all of the mechanics is a cheese there's something wrong with you lol. Was pushing atheon of a cliff not a cheese because you technically never had to glitch anything? hell no. It was a mistake on the raid team for making it possible to do dps in huge amounts before the mechanics but nonetheless still a cheese.
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Guardian,Archon Of LightBlade Of The Traveler - old
It's not a cheese But Bungie will put in a immune phase to force you to run the mechanics, just like they had with Oryx -
It’s a mild cheddar variant. The reason I still classify it as a cheese is because the mechanics of the boss fight are skipped. it isn’t a full cheese by glitching but it is cheesing (which by definition is finding a way to circumvent the mechanics to make the encounter easier). I still will use it but let’s call it what it is
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Edited by Dray: 10/13/2018 1:33:07 AMIs it a cheese, I don’t know but I’d use it, I’ve not done Riven but I’ve watched the encounter and its complex for no better reason than it can be, f*ck that tbh I’m all for busting it in one go. Vault of glass is still the best raid by far, Kings Fall was the same bollox as Riven, complex for no good reason than it could be, spare me.
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4 RepliesIt's definitely a cheese and wasnt intended. you think bungie went to the trouble designing all the mechanics so people could skip them?
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8 RepliesAlthough it's due to the infinite incompetence by Bungle, it's still a cheese for sure! As riven isn't supposed to be played like that, never was...so, cheese.
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It becomes a cheese when you teleport to the other room
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I -blam!-ing hate sitting on the damn platforms or carrying balls it’s stupid not fun
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1 ReplyPeople saying it's not a cheese are just noobs and can't complete the encounter the normal way. They make up excuses like saying it's not a cheese in an effort to convince themselves they beat the encounter. You cheap lazy cheesers will get a hard time when Bungie fixes Riven!
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2 RepliesEdited by Flame: 10/12/2018 5:15:47 AMWho cares the raids on this game are easy anyway. It's just a way to save time.My team could do it both ways but we just want to save our time. I do the raid 5-7 times a week to help people. An easy strategy is an easy strategy. In Elder scrolls online top groups nuke threw mechanics 24/7 granted you can't be trash but the point still stands.
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9 RepliesEdited by Fighting Lion: 10/12/2018 3:54:29 PMI don't consider it a cheese considering the fight has ( and the whole raid for that matter) have some of the most bullshit mechanics throughout both Destiny games
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13 RepliesEdited by Jared: 10/12/2018 9:37:09 AMI think the word "cheese" is where I can give some ground. There really isn't a definition for it, It's just a word people use to describe an unorthodox or more efficient way of doing things that is unintended by the developer. However, the cluster strat is 100% not a glitch. Like op said, "It’s maxing out DPS and using classes to their max potential". This is absolutely accurate. The definition of "glitch", would be "a sudden or temporary malfunction or irregularity". I think were people are confused is the definition of the word. Take for instance, spawn killing the boss in inverted spire. There are 3 floors in which you are intended to widdle down Protheon's health, floor by floor, as he changes forms and become more dangerous. however, it's entirely possible for a team to completely obliterate the boss before he can take his first step out of spawn, out of sheer, optimized damage. Would that be considered a cheese? I see no difference between [i]that[/i], and this.
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No, it's not a glitch, but it is a cheese because it skips the intended mechanics of the fight It's the exact same thing as melting Kalli without cleansing any plates. You're killing the boss in a way that bypasses the mechanics that are normally required This is a bad thing because it gives players chances at the raid loot (specifically 1k voices) even if they arent good enough to do it legitimately (yes, I think raid loot should be exclusive to those who can complete those encounters legitimately)
