Yes, forgot about the PC thing. BTW, I wonder how that PC venture is going. Last info I stumbled across was the the PC fellers were less than happy, but still, the console fellers are less than happy too. OK, running with you for a sec. Agreeing that a new game was necessary, what wasn't necessary was to change D1 so fundamentally! On one hand, it was the same (same characters, although buggered up to more suit PvP) same enemies, and same weapons - kinetic, void, arc. solar. Then, they add silly procedures like tokens, introduce static rolls (again to suit PvP) slow Supers (ditto PvP) and a myriad of other things too numerous to mention over and over. I don't know the answer. I feel the largest problem is the PvE to PvP clash of ideals. PvE can't be fixed because it affects PvP. I also feel that the fundamental changes I just mentioned, can't be changed without another serious re-write, and I can't see that happening now.