Many of the people here know nothing about game design or business, I actually assume Destiny's main audience is probably 16 years old(Thus why people were like OMG BURN YOU BURNED VELISITY!) at your Wikipedia comment..
They follow the latest bandwagon to remove eververse when they have no idea what they are even talking about. It's not a pay to win model, it's all cosmetic and even after being told that by many people on many posts they still refuse to believe it and think Bungie is going the way of EA. So they are basically screaming for Bungie to stop making money after you first buy the game. Real smart.
I cannot get on board with people whining because they are upset that someone was able to spend money and get some cool looking sparrow when they have to farm for it. It does nothing but make them look like spoiled brats. What does the age of my account or character progression have anything to do with anything with what I said? None of the people here are share holders or anything that you went rambling on about. You used a lot of talk but said nothing. You trying to prove that you googled what it's like to own a business or something? Nothing of what you said holds merit on my measly comment. Nice try.. but try harder next time.
All my comment was was an unpopular opinion. I still believe firmly that the majority of the people here would jump off a bridge if someone did it first and they made a hashtag about it.
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Yeah because armor, ghosts, and sparrows with perks is "purely cosmetic"
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Edited by AARPgamerwithJD: 1/5/2018 1:44:44 AM"Wikipedia comment"? Really, tell me what I was sourcing from Wikipedia, as opposed to my own experience? You can't, because your own comments evade the obvious problem that nothing you wrote suggests that you yourself have any first-hand knowledge of how publicly and/or privately owned corporations, particularly those focused upon software derived revenue models, actually function. I do, though. Here, because I can tell that you are struggling to defend your ignorant logic by reliance on comically rhetorical phraseology such as "Wikipedia comment" and "you googled what it's like to own a business", let me help you with an objectively verifiable reference. My gamertag is AARPgamerwithJD. The "AARP" refers to the fact I am over 50 years old (i.e "American Association of Retired Persons'), and the "JD" refers to my juris doctor degree -- that is, I am an attorney, and one that specializes in intellectual property, by the way. That should be enough to make you understand why I am laughing at your comment that "[n]one of the people here are share holders ..." I am here, and I most certainly know quite a bit about owning stock, as well as what decisions drive high technology corporate management (which often pay their employees in stock options). And I certainly don't need Google to help me understand such corporate governance, since that is, literally, what I am paid to understand. Setting your weak attempt to "one up" my knowledge aside, where have I ever said Eververse is "pay-to-win"? Candidly, I have been playing Destiny since September 2014, and I have never once made a purchase from that vendor. I don't even care about cosmetics, as reflected by the fact I have more than 300 shaders because I never use them. By contrast, I certainly am aware from my livelihood how much game designers care about pay-for-loot systems (which is NOT necessarily pay-for-win), including the extent to which they will emphasize such "loot box" mechanisms over gamer experience, for monetization reasons. Much of Destiny 2 has been designed to incentivize pay-for-loot at the expense of other game design, such as, say, story content. That is not an accident, and I personally don't like it. You say that your opinion is unpopular. It is. You're free, of course, to maintain it. But in doing so, please point me to where in the marketing literature for Destiny 2 Bungie ever openly indicated that more than 1/2 of the game available loot, even if it is largely cosmetic, would be behind the Eververse paywall. In particular, show me where Bungie, prior to release of Destiny 2, publicly stated that virtually all sparrows, ships, and ghosts (all of which were random drops in Destiny 1) would be part of that design? You can't, because they didn't. And candidly, that is the core problem -- a lack of transparency where Bungie knows it is likely to produce major adverse publicity. They created expectations about game design that they knew the player base would rely upon in their underlying purchases of their title, but did nothing to correct those incorrect expectations that surprised even the media reporting on the release. The article that is the source of the OP suggests Bungie made a deliberate choice to reboot the previous concept of the game in 2016 that resulted in a significant loss of end-game content, which obviously was not a fact known to the purchasing public. But then, as a product of that redesign, they incentivized Eververse purchase, while deliberately masking related efforts like the throttling of XP that was only revealed through the efforts of Reddit users and certainly impaired progression by players like myself that were unaware of it even as we were disinterested in Eververse cosmetics. That is most certainly NOT a design choice that was required to ensure microtransaction purchases, and even Bungie has struggled to defend it. Such decision-making is anathema to what players like myself expect in AAA game design. So yes, your position is unpopular. It implies monetization design at the expense of endgame quality is just fine for you. Certainly, you are free to embrace that model. But I believe games like Destiny will be more successful if they aim for a more gamer friendly environment.
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Divinely inspired eloquence. Pure poetry to this guardian's ears.
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So uh...you married bud? I'm pretty sure I love you
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You know what they say about assuming things... Ahh well I'll bite this trolls bait. The majority of the "16 year old" audience and those anywhere near that age are most likely going to be the "Christmas noobs" who just started playing, like yourself. Over the several years Ive been around bungie games and in and out of these fourms, I can tell you there are thousands (many more actually) of legitimate professionals, stock holders, business owners, game designers, software engineers and many others here. I think the actual average age of the active Destiny player base is around 30, note [b]AVERAGE[/b]. There's plenty of little spoiled Christmas trolls as well as plenty of elderly that play. There use to be a guy in his 70s that popped up in the forums during D1. So before you try and act all high amd mighty thinking you know everything (as most children act), remember you don't know shit about this place, this game, the people that play, or the people that post; mainly because you just started. So.. Welcome to the forums, and since you already fu[b][/b]cked that up now gtfo 😀
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The opinion of another "look at me I have money I'll use it how I want" individual playing the Bungie has to make money card. Bungie did make money, lots of it. D2 was one of the highest selling games of 2017. The OP was not trying to explain that they know better then bungie, they were just bringing to light the fact that Bungie blatantly explained that it's easier to just make loot boxes then playable content... the exact product they're supposed to create. If you're going to design a "10 year" game service, then that vision needs to be followed up with content for the consumer, unless you don't respect your consumer. As for your playing time, it does have a LARGE impact on the validity of your [i]opinion[/i], because you have not yet reached the stagnant mess that is D2's end game and it's complete lack of incentive to play. To sit there and tell us, the community, that we are largely 16 year old spoiled brats is quite ironic, as you explained that you enjoy just being able to buy the items rather than grind.. spoiling yourself... but being lazy and not wanting to put in any level of effort is understandable. Why play a game that you spent money on when you can just keep spending money to not play it?