[quote]You are like many others off on pay to win. Pay to win would be if the ghosts had a + 10% to damage modifier exclusive to the ev items. Besides paying at ev is optional I have 2 exotic ghosts through earned bright engrams an to be perfectly honest you can really tell much difference having it equipped or not. Exp modifiers are also not pay to win all they do is they alleviate the grind (very slightly) to get cosmetic engrams slightly faster (lets be honest its nothing to write home about) and are more a gimmick than actually useful. Someone who plays a mere hour or 2 more that week would negate any benefit gained by the ghosts by another player.[/quote] Well like I said they are very small advantages your gain, but an advantage regardless. And if I am paying for something that offers an advantage in any form, that is pay-to-win. And in current don't play destiny any hours of the week, but before I pulled myself from the game I was playing about 4-6 hours a day and maybe 6 days a week. So I know you can earn them without buy them. Buuuuuut, and it's a big but....that's where the xp scam came in to play, and I did notice it when I was playing but at the time I paid no attention because I was doing faction rally stuff and not trying to farm bright engrams. All this crazy stuff aside, any time anyone pays for anything in any video game that offers any advantage over a player who did not pay for it that's called pay to win. No matter how big or small the advantage is. Besides that point right there ^ you can earn mods from bright engrams as well. Stay with me now because it's probably going to get confusing for.you here, but mods go on weapons and armor to alter their stats. Hmmmmmm........ Mods are also used to UPGRADE THE LEVEL OF YOUR GEAR HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM........... So $=Engrams And Engrams= XP boosters, ghost shells with perks to aid in pve and PvP, and weapon and armor mods And and Weapon and Armor mods= Advantage over someone without. I may sound like an idiot or an ass, either way I am not wrong.