[quote]Destiny doesn't target my children. Minecraft sure does. i've spent hundreds on toys, blind boxes, bedding, posters, skins & texture packs for my son and his love for the game. the little guy barely knows what EV is.[/quote] Minecraft didn't piss off almost all of it's players. Minecraft is a successful cross platform game. My kid has tons of Minecraft shit as well. Hell I love the game. This isn't about Minecraft and their marketing and development strategy. It's about bungie. And yes they do target specific audiences. Almost all games selling microtransactions target specific audiences and destiny definitely targets children and young adults. Just look at their flashy cheesey commercials and advertisements. As well as the way they present the eververse.

kids watch TV? not mine... can you show me a Eververse ad aimed towards children?

[quote]kids watch TV? not mine... can you show me a Eververse ad aimed towards children?[/quote] Yes, kid watch TV. Your may not but there are millions of other kids out there who do. And I never said there was an eververse advertisement, I said the way they present the eververse. If you can't see it then either your one of the people dropping money in it or you don't waste your time.with microtransactions. Both are your choice. But you tried comparing what's going on with eververse with Minecraft's new market which is completely different BTW. In Minecraft you buy currency and then choose what specific skins or themes or maps you want. Destiny you spend money packages that all are completely random in drops.

how is spending money on a destiny loot box different than spending money on a blind box from Target? EV is a store. stores sell crap. don't like it, don't buy it.

Eververse didnt piss of the whole playerbase its like 500-700 of you circle jerking the same post with no real solution to fix it. Cause you can bet they wont remove her completely.

[quote]Eververse didnt piss of the whole playerbase its like 500-700 of you circle jerking the same post with no real solution to fix it. Cause you can bet they wont remove her completely.[/quote] Eververse is a major issue with this game compared to the destiny 1 eververse. 500-700 is an ungodly understatement. And thousands of posts have been made since the game launched with tons of suggestions for improvement. I've made a few myself in the past. The real problem here is BUNGIE DOESN'T LISTEN TO THEIR PLAYERS. The #removereververse is about making them listen. They only promise and then try mediocre compromises that solve anything. I highly doubt they will remove eververse myself, but it doesn't mean I'm going to stop fighting for it to be removed. And no one here is circle jerking anything. We are all trying to save a series we love. Destiny 1 was a sad shit show when it first launched, but the turned it completely around. But then went back to the drawing board and acted like destiny 1 was a faded memory. Here are some examples of why we are fighting for change. Shaders, destiny 1 all unlimited uses and don't take up vault space. Destiny 2 limited uses, cost glimmer to apply, take up a LOT of vault space and you can only delete them ONE AT A TIME. Weapons and armor. Destiny 1, random rolls on almost everything giving tons of unique loadouts and play styles, a very large pool of weapons and armor earned from a lot of different activities. Destiny 2 maybe 1/4 the amount of weapons and armor even after the dlc came out, static rolls on everything, masterworks is a -blam!-ing joke compared to what we asked for, I hit level cap and earned pretty much everything to get me there without ever touching the raid. And not to mention bringing old exotics back? $60 to play with some of the SAME guns and armor all over again. Eververse, when it came in destiny 1 bungie promised it would never involve pay to win. And until destiny 2 that was pretty much true. I didn't mind eververse because the shit there was mostly just goofy or bland and barely offered anything I felt I needed to earn. They had some cool things here and there and it was ok. Destiny 2, -blam!- IT let's put tons shaders in there, one time use by the way, let's through some armor in there, fine it looks like shit anyway, next up ships sparrows and emotes. Where else can you them?.... Sounds like you have a lot of promising options. Now ghost shells too?? Ghost shells offer in game perks that give you an advantage. A small and mostly overlooked advantage but still one. WHOA! we just crossed the pay to win line there, armor was cutting it close but the armor is all at like 5 or 10 power level so not really gaining much there, but the ghost shells offer the ability to spend money and gain additional perks for pve or PvP activities. That's dirty after "promising" it wouldn't happen. And lastly we have the XP boosters. How in the world is this not pay to win?? Consume it to earn more xp? Earning more xp sounds a hell of a lot like an advantage to me. These are just 3 topics I touched on. I have MANY more comparisons I could go into. And I know this isn't Destiny 1 but it was supposed to continue our adventure not restart it. However these are all just my opinions, gathered by my observations game play experiences over the last 3-4 years of playing Destiny 1 and 2. Buuuuuut at the end of the day I'm just part of the 500-700 circle jerking morons here who just complain.

You are like many others off on pay to win. Pay to win would be if the ghosts had a + 10% to damage modifier exclusive to the ev items. Besides paying at ev is optional I have 2 exotic ghosts through earned bright engrams an to be perfectly honest you cant really tell much difference having it equipped or not. Exp modifiers are also not pay to win all they do is they alleviate the grind (very slightly) to get cosmetic engrams slightly faster (lets be honest its nothing to write home about) and are more a gimmick than actually useful. Someone who plays a mere hour or 2 more that week would negate any benefit gained by the ghosts by another player.