(tldr at bottom, because it's rambling mostly) [quote]That's ultimately what I was stating. We aren't talking about ingredients you HAVE had, we are talking about ingredients you have NEVER had. [/quote] We've never had 4v4's (it's nothing amazing, really), p2p, crucible based changes, a primary (X2, so different...), a dumbed down heavy/special, hammers that don't kill (dawnblade), tanks, no [u]optional[/u] matchmaking for certain activities, restricting guns (any group that's ever done 'THIS WEAPON ONLY' playthroughs), etc? I fail to see the 'totally new and untasted' features you speak of. If not in Destiny, then in other games. Any FPS has their matchmaking and connectivity, any MMO has their new PvE mission types plus the ones they already have, and any competitive RPG has their weapon tuning. It's not new, and that's not the problem people have... it's 'is this better' than what's available. And, right now, that's not the case. I'm not saying there aren't 'different ingredients', as that is certainly true, but to say we've 'never had this before' is just wrong. You're still in an American restaurant, you're still getting a cheeseburger, and having Avacados as buns isn't going to solve anything. You're also assuming that people can't pull from other games they've played that have similar features (even though 'destiny ones' haven't been used by players). In the case of Destiny 2... it's still a Destiny game, PvP is still the major focus around weapon and tuning, and the chefs (leaders) haven't changed, and PvE still has raids/strikes/story missions. So why should I expect it to taste that much different? And the fear is... it won't. The comparison is really between McDonalds and a 'new' McDonalds chain that's 'better than ever'. Not between McDonalds and a unique restaurant in freaking Asia, like you're implying. They're such similar games some people still can't tell between the two yet. The familiar is an integral part of D2. Yes, it might taste different. But if it does... it's because they made it 'spicy' and called it new... and you can make anything spicy. You aren't even comparing McDonalds to Tim Hortons. You're comparing McDonalds to a newer McDonalds. That's it. Same company, same types of food, same basic location. A few extra whistles and blips, maybe a few extra foods (again, they're not going to be 'unknown foods you've never seen before', because it's McDonalds) and that's where the differences really end. The reason this analogy isn't good isn't because it doesn't have merit that Destiny 2 won't taste different than D1. It's that D2 is not this new, unknown food that is nothing like D1. We have a very good reference point of what D2 will, in fact, taste like. That's the problem. It's gotten worse, instead of better, over the years. It's the type of food where... if you didn't like D1... you won't like D2. They're not [u]that[/u] different. -- If you don't like chicken, you won't like chicken wings. That's your comparison. Sure, you can cook it a different way, add spices, heck put cheese on it, but at the end of the day, if you hate the taste of chicken meat or chicken texture of that meat, you won't like it. And yes, they're both chicken, they might taste different. But we're not comparing chicken to some asian goat and to say otherwise isn't being realistic. It's Destiny compared to Destiny 2. [u]They have to have many core similarities[/u]. In fact, that's half the selling point of the game it seems, is that you can 'jump in' and get a feel for the Destiny universe. Just like D1. They can't, and aren't. that different.