These two things come up a lot: 1. Dedicated servers aren't perfect. I have yet to see a single post suggesting dedicated servers are perfect. By anyone. 2. Red bars are always a client bad connection. This is the worst assumption common in the community. It is blaming players for Bungie's problems. Sure there are bad connections out there but how am I so often red barring when I'm consistently pinging 80, all my ports are open, I'm wired in and have fantastic speed? What else do I have to do, sacrifice an animal under the full moon?

1. I don't recall suggesting people make posts like that. I did say that too many people think too highly of dedicated servers, though they would be nice to have. I won't dispute that. My main point is that they would have been a worthless investment due to how Bungie wants gameplay to feel. 2. Heh, I don't defend Bungie. I'm no apologist in their name. I certainly don't blame the entire playerbase for the problems we face in Destiny. You didn't say I did any of that, but I wanted to put it out there before you get surprised about this next paragraph mostly agreeing with you. The worst assumption common in the community is that Mr. Red Bar is solely why you're lagging. He is partly to blame, but the other part would be the bad host Destiny picked for the match. That's Bungie's fault. I know it seems like the game falls apart when a red bar comes along, but remember, his connection mostly directly interacts with the host. Mr. Red Bar isn't the whole problem. (Yeah, the bad host would be fine without Mr. Red Bar, but a good host would prevent Mr. Red Bar from ruining your experience.) And yes, Destiny is usually worse than any other game as far as networking goes. That is also Bungie's fault. Dedicated servers won't fix that. Revamped networking solutions will. What they've decided to do in Destiny 2 could be the answer we actually need. "Oh it's just the same, slightly different!" Maybe. But how do you think any tech improves? You don't start by completely rebuilding it from the ground up as if it were a new invention. You try to save what you already built to prevent unnecessary work, you try to fix what went wrong before. Perhaps Bungie believes they've done so? If they thought a slight change wouldn't be enough, they would have done something different. They aren't evil. They are just a company. All of that said, please remember these last words: If Destiny 2 comes along and we find that their "solution" hasn't fixed a damn thing, I'll be the first to say I was wrong to have faith in their decision and I'll be right there with you lobbying for a better solution. I wish you a fun experience in Destiny 2 no matter who turns out to be correct. Good luck, Guardian.

you are just wrong. an antilag code can be done. its all possible... with low detail physics it has been done in perfection. just scale up. ___ 1. if you have a bad ping (red bar), ping over 300.... you just cant move freeze.... if your connection is not recovering ... kick. 2. dedicated server means .... all clients have a perfect chance to have a low ping.... if you have a high ping... you simply cant play the game. 3. a dedicated server is needed for causality. SOMEWHERE IN THE PHYSICAL WORLD. you can only have one absulute time. and this time is the location of the phyical server. clients connected to the server have a response time. In P2P... sending just postions to everyone and receiving them .... breaks causality .... if you bring people together in a virtual world .... in a shooter ... you need to bring them together in the real world - the server. he determinates the time. otherwise the response times will add up, resulting in the strange destiny 1 lags