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5/19/2016 6:59:09 AM
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Being inside a private group or clan does not give you a free pass from breaking the Code of Conduct.
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Thanks all for the discussion, however pointless it's become. To Achronos: I still have a request, could I please be private messaged with the post I made which was worthy of a one month ban? This was never addressed, and I would appreciate it as a matter of good faith and customer service. I would also like to note to everyone interested that the following quote has made me lose all faith in Bungie as a developer: [quote](by relevant, I mean Destiny relevant)[/quote] It used to be that Bungie was interested in creating a community. When you continually and aggressively implement ways to censor and restrict your community (most notably with the linked Destiny account posting requirement), you lose your community. This site is now little more than a Destiny-themed Twitter for paying customers only, and the sad thing is, that was the plan the whole time.
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Work is being done to make it more apparent what private messages/group wall posts got you banned without having to ask a moderator. In this particular case, I PM'd you the specific messages that got you in trouble, since that is very difficult to get at right now (sometimes even for moderators - as I said, we're working on fixing the tools). Per the rest of your comment: bungie.net has always been about fostering the community for Bungie games, with a specific focus on the current Bungie game. When Halo came out, Myth and Oni were relegated to "classic" status. As Halo marched on, older Halo games were given less prominence. Same deal here. This isn't a case of Bungie.net's purpose changing - it is just your preferences no longer lining up with the site's focus. That's okay, but recognize it for what it is.
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[quote]This isn't a case of Bungie.net's purpose changing -[/quote] B.next... Also appreciate the response on the other thread, been waiting forever for one.
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Haha I forgot what I said, thanks. I was mocking two other users who were arguing about phones, sorry to offend. I'll play nice. I really appreciate the response, sincerely.
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Who gave Bungie/Activison a free pass to scam ppl with the disappointing pos chore that is destiny?
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Who gave you the idea that your salt is welcomed here?
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I'm getting "Be 100% Politically Correct all the time or risk a paddlin'" from this. That, or you guys like people making alts.
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"Politically correct" is often a cover by those who get called out saying outrageous and hateful things. "It was just a joke" is sometimes similarly used. For example, you can engage in some friendly trash talking without using homophobic slurs (as an example). Be better than just profanity, bigotry, and hate as a form of entertainment. Incidentally - the moderators aren't generally jumping into groups looking for this kind of content. If you're running afoul of them in a private group wall post or forum post, then that means [i]someone in that group[/i] reported you. Maybe your expectations as to appropriate conduct in that group are the problem.
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Couldn't agree more. My parents always told me to never write messages that I would not also say in person to other people. Creating spaces without rules but anonymity usually creates bad habits with those who use them.
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What would you describe as friendly trash talk?
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Answer me a quick question. It's supposed to be common knowledge to pm Cozmo to appeal a ban if applicable, yeah? How am I supposed to appeal a pm ban then?
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Coming from someone who has been on the receiving end of numerous banned members, thank you. I love how my private group, which has been [i]praised[/i] by the community as the gold standard, has taken an enormous hit in activity because my administrative team has been stripped of all autonomy. The fact of the matter is that my staff and I are better at this than the moderators in this site, and that you're letting their actions in unrelated locations undermine our operation is insulting. I remember back before all this Destiny shit when private chapters were actually private. Groups like ODST Recon, Thee Warriors, and Mjolnir Battle Tactics were successful, sovereign communities that had Bungie's back, because Bungie had theirs. I don't know when you and your staff sold out, but this isn't an environment conducive to making friends anymore. It's a brothel for RNG and cheap interaction before moving on. People don't care about each other anymore, and I blame you. It's up to you all to fix it, and if the last three years are any indication, then all hope is lost. The old guard is gone, and there's nobody left to pick up the reigns. It's shit like this that makes me think the Sep7agoners were right all along. There's only so much you guys can take from us until there's nothing left to grab. What's the point in private groups when they aren't even private anymore?
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Private groups and messages were never private. The only thing that's changed is that we've put in tools to make it so we don't have to issue ultra bans to people who think they're a refuge from the CoC. Also, those three groups you listed were great groups... Halo groups. It is not altogether unexpected that they have diminished activity on a site that has pivoted toward being a Destiny focused site. You are welcome to blame me or the team for actual problems in group functionality. Groups had very little purpose for a very long time (after Halo 2's clans were shut off), and were barely used by most users. We are slowly trying to make them relevant again (by relevant, I mean Destiny relevant), but that will take some time. If you're just using them as general social gathering places, that's fine, but understand that they will never be optimal for that - that's not what we're trying to make here. Functionality will tend towards Destiny related functionality. However, I will NOT apologize for enforcing the code of conduct in private groups or private messages. Telling people to "kill yourself" or making homophobic slurs under the cover of "friendly kidding around" is not something we want here. That's not up to your group admins to decide. It isn't about whether it is public or private - Bungie does not want to be hosting your hate speech. If you want to post that garbage, make your own web site - there are plenty of places you can do that.
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My group doesn't condone hate speech either, and we've been incredibly effective at handling that sort of issue. What bothers me is that people who haven't posted in weeks are coming back to bans out of the blue, and a single random report seems to ban people with no chance to see what they've done wrong, and no ability to refute it. I get that you have a CoC to enforce, but during the era of "adapt" and "create your own experience," shouldn't people be able to PM ban individuals? The ninjas have been outnumbered for years, and as the user count grows, you should depend on private moderation more instead of giving yourself an even steeper uphill battle. And don't get me started on group functionality. The groups had more features in 2009 than they do now.
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[quote]My group doesn't condone hate speech either, and we've been incredibly effective at handling that sort of issue. What bothers me is that people who haven't posted in weeks are coming back to bans out of the blue, and a single random report seems to ban people with no chance to see what they've done wrong, and no ability to refute it.[/quote] Both of those issues bother me too - and that's why they're listed as bugs needing fixing. The private ban system is rather new, and isn't as well integrated into the notification system as it should be. Not something that's easy, but bungie.net ships new code every two weeks more or less, so we'll get there soonish. Also, to be clear, I wasn't accusing you or your group of hate speech specifically. I was more responding to the general subject of the thread. [quote]I get that you have a CoC to enforce, but during the era of "adapt" and "create your own experience," shouldn't people be able to PM ban individuals? The ninjas have been outnumbered for years, and as the user count grows, you should depend on private moderation more instead of giving yourself an even steeper uphill battle.[/quote] You've been able to PM ban individuals for some time now - "Mute User" does that. And unfortunately private moderation doesn't help - groups are just a tiny percentage of content needing to be moderated. We're been gather some data and chatting with the ninjas about their pain points, and are going to try a few new approaches, with a goal of transparency and consistency. [quote]And don't get me started on group functionality. The groups had more features in 2009 than they do now.[/quote] They had more features in 2004. The reason for that is due to their loss of purpose. We could not justify the development resources to work on them for such a tiny number of users who had no connection to our games. It was a fight just find the time to keep them from having to be disabled (they almost didn't make it into the most recent revamp in 2013). Destiny supporting clans gives them renewed purpose, however. We'll see where that takes us.
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[quote]However, I will NOT apologize for enforcing the code of conduct in private groups or private messages. Telling people to "kill yourself" or making homophobic slurs under the cover of "friendly kidding around" is not something we want here. That's not up to your group admins to decide. It isn't about whether it is public or private - Bungie does not want to be hosting your hate speech. If you want to post that garbage, make your own web site - there are plenty of places you can do that.[/quote] [b]THANK YOU [/b] for being blunt about Bungie's stance and what people who disagree can do. Hate speech disguised as humor is idiotic and I agree has no place in this forum. Respect.
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[quote]It's shit like this that makes me think the Sep7agoners were right all along.[/quote] We were.
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Oh shit, totes overkill
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What a...........
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Wat a bungie member
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Edited by TehNuke: 5/20/2016 6:38:43 PMAnd being a Ninja shouldn't give them a free pass to ban unjustly. There are many examples and many posts about this. Also, why are there PM bans? It does not make sense because we can't even inquire or explain ourselves if we feel [i]unjustly[/i] banned. Obviously, numerous users making forum posts/complaints doesn't seem to get through to Bungie. I think you need to start watching the Ninja's/Mod's consistency in PM banning the same people where there is [b]no[/b] explaination and where there cannot be an explaination disputed. We just want fair treatment. Everyone acknowledges that [i][b]there is[/b][/i] a problem, except [i][b]Bungie themselves[/b][/i]. [i][b][u]INB4BAN[/u][/b][/i]
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So basically: "Here at Bungie, we enjoy every opportunity presented to use a hammer." That explains the nerfs.
