There's not a lot of misinformation or speculation in here. It's a good post.
What I will contend is that I don't believe value is as easy as to assess as content/dollar or time spent/dollar. People rationalize their attachments differently and with more variability than the tangible, obvious mathematic depiction. Humans are much more complex than that. Some would rather frequent a dive bar with 5 of their friends than ride solo at the finest restaurant in town; memories get made, bonds get made, and when one reflects on their experiences it brings a smile to their face. This is something destiny has gotten right. It's not a justification for their lack of content as I'm sure everyone would agree, but you can't put a price on shared experiences. They are literally priceless.
Now to exclusively money...
The game has overcharged the shit out of its player base. The above paragraph does not negate this truth, it only questions the ratio in which we evaluate our experiences. I actually had this epiphany recently that the reason bungie keeps saying "we're listening" while remaining silent and inactive is that they [i]are[/i] working on the wish list, but they don't receive optimal monetary growth by implementing everything in one update. They give us a little bit, then take things away. Then they give a little more. The cycle repeats. It's a -blam!-ed up business model that lets us down then picks up, but it's never enough for the majority to quit. And when destiny two releases will they still be saying they're listening? Three years in? Probably, and [i]that[/i] is the problem. Crumbs to keep the birds at your feet. Give them a full meal and they'll leave sooner.
Anyway, good post. I find we do agree on a lot and it's always worth reading your opinions despite our sometimes-differences.
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Edited by Malphisto: 12/8/2015 11:50:47 PMIndeed. And on the matter of price value, my reasoning is more from a consumer perspective since we're talking terms of business. If we remove the "Human Factor" from the equation, we can take the base game or even the TTK Legendary Edition and compare it to other $60 games. Compare business models, the amount of playable content (Size, NPCs, Voice Acting, Story, Music, Features, Activities, etc.) and how everything works together. We would also go with games from the same year as well for our comparisons and see which is generally overall better and has more to offer. Everyone has different opinions and different preferences, so when trying to figure something like this out I feel its always best to remove the unknown variable from influencing the conclusion. That's how my mind operates, at any rate.
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I think this comes down to the individual. I've posted elsewhere on this thread, and I don't see a poor relationship between dollars and time spent, especially when compared to other games out there; I see a favorable one which flies in the face of what many are posting here (not you). Sir Alec Guinness had a great line in the original Star Wars, "Who is the greater fool, the fool, or the fool who follows him?" I'd rewrite that to say, "Who is the greater fool, the person fooled into buying the original game, or the fool that buys the DLC expecting it to change it?" I have no complaints. I pre-ordered the Ghost Edition last year, and didn't pick it up until I played it first on Redbox (yeah, you can do that). I knew what I was buying. I pre-ordered TTK. I knew what I was buying. People that bought all those DLCs and whined all the way? Zero pity. They knew what they were getting.
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You make good points. My only argument to the time invested/money ratio is memories. A lonely man makes none. These are often unaccounted for until reflection occurs, nostalgia, etc and not at the immediate moment of juxtaposition.
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Agreed; but my enjoyment was probably more a reflection of my friends list than the game itself. My guess is allot of the people that are chronically bitter probably don't have a regular group of friends that they play with. It really makes a huge difference.
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Exactly my point. How true it is.
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Also, very well put. I was lucky to have friends immediately. Without them you're lost in a world of moments nobody can share.
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This is a good reflection from a good original post.
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Thanks for reading.