The difference is a defender won't chase you round the map vaporising anything and everyone that gets in its way, tanking rockets, nightstalker tethers and golden gun shots.

Fist of Havoc and Ward of Dawn are both immobile, instantaneous Supers which offer high damage reduction during the animation, or offer damage reduction only if you're using Armor of Light. Hammer of Sol is a mobile/offensive Super which offers the damage reduction of immobile/defensive supers. It's not good balance.

Fist of Havoc is [b]NOT[/b] Immobile..... Also Ward of Dawn is the weakest subclass in PVP bar none. There is zero competition. It has zero kill potential. If you want to talk about not good balance lets talk about how hunters have 3 supers which each have extremely high potential for multi kills on every class? It is not uncommon to see a gunslinger get 3-4 kills every game from their super alone and blade dancers as well. Nightstalkers can easily lock up to 3-5 people with their super and also suppress their super and remove any chance of escaping. It is literally the single most powerful utility super in the game bar none. Btw if you stack armor on your blade dancer were you aware that it can survive a golden gun shot as well? Why arent you screaming for nerfs that or how sunsinger can also tank a golden gun with radiance on?

[quote]Fist of Havoc is NOT Immobile.....[/quote] Immobile meaning that you can't move during it and it has zero kill potential unless you're close to someone; it's a one and done Super. Nova Bomb is the same, except you can choose where the damage zone happens at. You're still immobile during it. Ward of Dawn is the same since you just place a Bubble in a specific spot and it stays there. [quote]If you want to talk about not good balance lets talk about how hunters have 3 supers which each have extremely high potential for multi kills on every class?[/quote] Hunters have mobile Supers, aside from Shadowshot. Mobile Supers are better for cleaning up spread out targets while those one-time use Supers let you clear a group of players in a specific area. Players don't always group up on one spot, so it's obvious as to WHY Hunters get more kills with their Super. Shadowshot, while having the potential of crowd control like FoH and Nova Bomb, also has some mobility potential as you can cast it three times using Quiver. [quote]Btw if you stack armor on your blade dancer were you aware that it can survive a golden gun shot as well? [/quote] Cool story, got proof or are you just pulling things out of thin air to try to defend the Sunbreaker class?

[quote]Mobile Supers are better for cleaning up spread out targets[/quote] So thats okay for a hunter but not a titan right?

Where did I say I wanted the Titan to be weaker than the other mobile Supers? I said I wanted the damage reduction to be IN LINE with the other mobile Supers.

What is the point of playing [b]THE TANK CLASS[/b] when a hunter does it just as well? You see the problem there?

Oh, you're one of those guys who thinks that there are supposed to be "Tanks" in Destiny. I'd hate to break it to you, but the fact that we can spec out our subclasses negates that argument. Bungie wanted us to be allowed to play how we wanted; a Sunsinger can be just as tanky as a Sunbreaker if they choose to be so by running maximum Subclass armor and using Radiant Skin. The original "bars" we started with just showed which class had better synergy with certain types of builds; Titans will always have the easiest time having high subclass armor in builds when compared to Hunters and Warlocks. It doesn't mean they're SUPPOSED to be the only tank class of Destiny, they just have an EASIER being tanky and are capable of having the most base HP of any other class by one or two points.

Armor is the Titans primary stat where as hunters are all about agility and warlocks recovery. Titans have been shown to take much more of a beating than the other 2 classes except under specific circumstances (IE Ram Warlock) Even if you maxed out armor on a Blade Dancer that armor would never reach the same Value as a Titans armor value as Titans are the only ones who can max armor. So yes for All intents and Purposes Titans are the tank class because they were designed to take more of a beating than the other classes. In any MMO you will find this is the case with things like this. Can a ranger tank in WOW for example? I guess but they can't take much of a beating and they have no tools for tanking and will never take as much as a beating as a warrior or paladin will. This game despite being a shooter is still technically an MMO and titans were pretty much always considered the tank class.

Ok, so you either get the damage reduction and "tank", or you get to kill a lot of shit. Can't have the best of both worlds there, bud. It's like a ranged blade dancer with higher damage resistance. If people complained about bd then then they're sure as hell going to complain about that, which is pretty much bd on steroids.

Alright thats cool. But to make it fair you BD either get to keep their super mobility and blink or they get damage reduction. Cant have best of both worlds.

They don't, they're all melee, they can't throw tracking hammers across the map for the duration of their super. They at least have to get close. Blink and bd were bother nerfed in the past, what makes you think us breaker is so balanced? They're not, stop defending your crutch...it's pathetic.