I completely disagree. None of this content was advertised as what you call "dynamic content". Trials of Osiris, as an example, was advertised strictly as a feature that you get by purchasing House of Wolves. It was one of the two main activities advertised and a major selling point of the expansion. At no point was it stated that this content would become inaccessible. As somebody who didn't purchase House of Wolves until a week before Patch 2.0 came out (unaware that it was coming out), I find it absurd that I would lose access to a major selling point of the expansion that I just purchased within a week.
Your argument overly simplifies the issue. Bungievision advertised and sold access to this content and prior to TTK gave no indication that it would become inaccessible. Even with TDB and HOW, players could still access end-game activities. They did not sell us a subscription. To call it dynamic content is simply an excuse and doesn't supersede the fact that they falsely advertised the game.
Even if I accepted your argument, which I don't, I would still argue that this is horrible business practice, and that people who feel "left behind" should seek refunds as I have. Some of the content that was removed there was clearly no reason to remove, except to force us to buy The Taken King. The fact that the only strike playlist left available to me is level 20 is not a courtesy, it is a deliberate slap to the face - why would anybody at the previous level cap of 34 ever want to play a level 20 strike?
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On another quick note, watch out for phrases like. "You gain access to.....", as that in business means that you aren't gaining the content, but are gaining access to the content. An example is Trials of Osiris, you "gain access" to Trials of Osiris. However, to get this exclusive content, you have to complete the most recent storyline, in the past HOW, in the present TTK. These terms will likely be the downfall of the game, unless people just learn to read into the advertising carefully.
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The phrase "gain access to" in no way implies "have to complete the most recent storyline".
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I didn't say that, it merely means whatever it follows. For example, once you dance the Charleston, you gain access to the peanut butter cookie.
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Well, I'm quite certain that they never stated you would have to complete the most recent storyline, so I'm not sure how this makes it less a case of false advertising.
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[quote]I completely disagree. None of this content was advertised as what you call "dynamic content". Trials of Osiris, as an example, was advertised strictly as a feature that you get by purchasing House of Wolves. It was one of the two main activities advertised and a major selling point of the expansion. At no point was it stated that this content would become inaccessible. As somebody who didn't purchase House of Wolves until a week before Patch 2.0 came out (unaware that it was coming out), I find it absurd that I would lose access to a major selling point of the expansion that I just purchased within a week. Your argument overly simplifies the issue. Bungievision advertised and sold access to this content and prior to TTK gave no indication that it would become inaccessible. Even with TDB and HOW, players could still access end-game activities. They did not sell us a subscription. To call it dynamic content is simply an excuse and doesn't supersede the fact that they falsely advertised the game. Even if I accepted your argument, which I don't, I would still argue that this is horrible business practice, and that people who feel "left behind" should seek refunds as I have. Some of the content that was removed there was clearly no reason to remove, except to force us to buy The Taken King. The fact that the only strike playlist left available to me is level 20 is not a courtesy, it is a deliberate slap to the face - why would anybody at the previous level cap of 34 ever want to play a level 20 strike?[/quote] You make a simple mistake yourself in categorizing The Dark Below and House of Wolves as Expansions, when in reality they are merely DLC. Because of this, they allowed players to access a small portion of their content, in exchanged for nothing. While I do agree that it was unfair that Trials of Osiris was indeed advertised as being a part of the DLC for HOW and therefore is technically part of Year 1 and "Vanilla Destiny", it lies in a strange area, in which it is still PvP and therefore Dynamic, same for Iron Banner. I am not, nor ever said that it was a wise business practice, but it is the one they follow. Unfortunately it will likely not be changed. I have noticed that flashy words tend to be used in the business world, so, for example, if a Bungie representative exclaimed that. "Once you reached the maximum level, you'd be allowed to start running Nightfalls and other Weekly and Daily content!" They have there, in that statement alone, said indirectly that you will not have access to this content when the game expands. As the "Max Level" aspect of that sentence is ever growing, then they are not technically lying. For this exact reason gaming companies have very specific PR Employees, who use this terminology. That is why, when gaming employees speak out of term without company approval, they get fired, not because of what they said, but how they said it. The issue is likely how everyone interpreted the words, and not looking at what was actually said. If I can dig up some examples I will, as it works better when I can show people exactly what I mean. But, I don't disrespect your opinion, and I understand what you are trying to say. I only hope that you find solace at some point, and accept that many people were duped, unfortunately, we can't change their practice, but we can watch carefully as to how they explain something to avoid being taken advantage of again. However, do be careful, as many, if not all companies so this in some way or another, for how would they make money, if not to take advantage of the consumer?
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[quote]You make a simple mistake yourself in categorizing The Dark Below and House of Wolves as Expansions, when in reality they are merely DLC. Because of this, they allowed players to access a small portion of their content, in exchanged for nothing.[/quote]DLC and Expansion are themselves arbitrary categorizations provided by the publisher. They don't provide any excuse to lock customers out of content that they paid for. [quote]I have noticed that flashy words tend to be used in the business world, so, for example, if a Bungie representative exclaimed that. "Once you reached the maximum level, you'd be allowed to start running Nightfalls and other Weekly and Daily content!" They have there, in that statement alone, said indirectly that you will not have access to this content when the game expands. As the "Max Level" aspect of that sentence is ever growing, then they are not technically lying. For this exact reason gaming companies have very specific PR Employees, who use this terminology.[/quote]Plenty of the content removed had nothing to do with the maximum level, such as the heroic modifiers for story missions and mode specific PVP playlists (PVP having normalized stat values). When you consider all the removed content as a whole, it is clearly just a ploy to force us to buy TTK, and the "end-game" categorization you are using here (which never applied before, as the level cap was accessible to all) is just an excuse you are providing for them. [quote]That is why, when gaming employees speak out of term without company approval, they get fired, not because of what they said, but how they said it.[/quote]Apparently not, when you consider that the lead design can tell people to throw money at the screen and still be allowed to participate in interviews. [quote]I only hope that you find solace at some point, and accept that many people were duped, unfortunately, we can't change their practice, but we can watch carefully as to how they explain something to avoid being taken advantage of again.[/quote]I take solace in my refund. [quote]However, do be careful, as many, if not all companies so this in some way or another, for how would they make money, if not to take advantage of the consumer?[/quote]What on earth makes you think that they have to take advantage of the customer to make money? If they're doing their jobs properly it's just an exchange. This quote just shows that they've succeeded in lowering your expectations. I'll be taking my refund to a company that doesn't cut up their game into DLC until the $60 release is itself the size of a DLC. Bethesda is a company with integrity, only releasing a game every 4-5 years once it's properly finished, not making excuses to sell overpriced DLC that was cut out of the base game. My refund's going to Fallout 4.
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I am also glad you did get a refund. I hope that you enjoy whatever your next purchase may be. Take care!
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I will be honest, I've lowered my expectations in the economy in general.
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Not going to argue with that. However, this is still perhaps the first ever case of a game removing access to substantial amounts of existing content with the release of new content, and I intend to fight that.