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Edited by Un1337ninj4:
6/8/2015 3:40:51 AM
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Red Death, sure it's a capable counter in certain situations and a smart player can out-pace a Thorn user with this weapon. However the TTK is a half-second slower and if the Thorn user's keeping a horizontal movement pattern it's much harder than using another Exotic HandC. Any other Legendary Pulse of a similar archetype will not compete due to the lack of health proc to make up for the Thorns DoT unless there's a damage increase a la Headseeker on Messenger/AllFATE (<-- By the way, the AllFATE's archetype is the only one to match the Red Death's .67 TTK seen with Aggressive Ballistics, Spare Change/other High Impact models have a .73 without a Headseeker proc and are much less stable at face-value.)
MIDA, same as RD. Just with more shenanigans and much greater capabilities for skirmish-y plays against large teams and focus on Control points/general harassment.
Vex, much easier to use and a reliable weapon for CQC aye, but at range this couldn't be more false as the Vex is just barely able to compete even up-close when compared to a half-decent Thorn user.
Osiris Primaries? Are you kidding? The Jewel has one of the lowest PvP TTKs among Legendary HandCs with higher RoF models being king. Case-and-point being the Revelator. The Scholar is a great Scout Rifle by all means! However in order to get Reactive Reload going you have to get a kill first and then reload to compete with a Send It Thorn (and by a "good" Thorn user I mean anyone who uses Send It for the better Accuracy, Aim Assist, and Range together in a Scout Rifle package.) Without it .80 seconds using only CRITS simply doesn't compete to the Thorn's 1 Head & 2 Body kill guarantee. The Messenger is probably your strongest argument as it can have a TTK on-par to the Vex with more range. (Summoner left out for obvious reasons)
Even then, you will NOT compete with a good Thorn user in an open combat scenario unless you out-position your foe as the Thorn keeps all the strengths of Range, RoF, and overall Impact due to the DoT.
My credentials:
I can do well with nearly any weapon in this game, so much so that while I openly admit in saying the Necro isn't an out-right bad weapon once you get past the learning curve and have become quite addicted to hearing that Cursebringer proc. That said, it does not compete to these weapons openly and I have to get out-right crafty in order to stay even when pitted against a good user. However, by no means will I ever claim to be the best. Just capable and reliable.
EDIT: Changes reflected on the changes in the post, also strips away the ridiculing and other such immature content.
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I'm not going off ttk.No Land Beyond is the best weapon in the game by that logic.The reason for vision was that it's fully auto.Take that away and it sucks.But with full auto the things a truck
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Edited by Un1337ninj4: 6/8/2015 12:37:11 AMNo Land Beyond has that going for it, but it's other limitations are the outlier where Thorn has no limitation given you're rocking Send It with the only exception being player's capacity to play the game and your opponents scouring for the few weapons that can openly compete with it in certain instances. Namely MIDA, RD, Vex, and TLW, each of these can prove capable for counterplay for and against each other but the Thorn stands out among them as the most malleable and most difficult to compete with as a firearm made to deal damage at nearly any situation. That however doesn't disclude the out-right superiority of the Lightweight and Marksman archetypes. Yes, this does matter in this as the VoC works in the same exact manner as the others in its class. If you want a Full Auto Scout you get something with a higher RoF, it kills faster, it will have perks and mods to increase efficiency rolled properly instead of an ease of use tool with nothing to benefit an experienced player. Even with The Scholar, the only time you'll ever hit a two shot kill is if Reactive Reload is active and you come up on two players and manage to kill one, reload, and two shot the one with a low-Armor stat. If you're up against any half-baked Thorn user they won't give you that opportunity.
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I changed vision for you:)
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Great summery. I was quite surprised when he said any ToO weapon(excluding The Messenger) and VoC. Those struck me as odd as well that he didn't have TLW as a weapon that outguns Thorn in short-mid range.
