I class a 'grind' as being monotonous. I don't really see it as a grind for gear per-say as realistically, the only chances for obtaining high level gear are from: • NFs - which are quick & also get XP boosts which is the main reason for me, and • Raids - which are fun Yes, you can get Exotics from other things like; Strikes, Crucible and Engrams, but the chances in these are so low that if you grind these for Exotics then IMO you're doing the game wrong essentially an addict simply chasing the carrot. The grind comes from levelling gear up through doing monotonous PvE bounties but then these only take 40-60 mins per character, per day. I played Runescape when I was 13-15. [i]That[/i] was a true grind.