Finally some players realize this. Giving us pvp maps with the expansions is far less work for bungie than having to program new pve content! Thats why they try to push players towards pvp

Everything about PvE is lazy. Invisible walls RNG No Trading Pitiful number of strikes. Pitiful Campaign No variation at all in PvE missions (defend dinklebot) No high level patrol mode No variation/imagination with bounties No crafting Upgrade system makes no sense (we could be collecting dildos and MnM's for upgrades and it would make just as much sense) Here's an expansion.... Go recollect and relevel your exotics! Fix cheese but never fix glitches No Faction content Grimoire is on a website FFS No backstory My Awoken character reacts the same to learning about the Awoken as other races? Cutscenes were laughable and unskippable Ridiculous nonsensical economy with 20 different currencies and a glimmer cap? I don't need to go on. Everyone knows the game is garbage. Anyone still playing just likes to grind items and collect virtual things.

Well said. Thank you, OP. Just gotta say, I find it hilarious how they care so much about the PvP, it would seem, yet on a poll on the trending page 3 spaces below this, almost 90% of players who responded play PvE more. I know it may be a slightly skewed sample, but those numbers don't completely lie.

You are deranged if you think minor weapon tweaks have fundamentally altered the core structure of the game. This PVP vs PVE raving is just crazy butthurt

IMO, they are focusing more on PvP lately (and in all the wrong ways, I might add) because that's where a lot of players are migrating to. Let's face it, the DB DLC was wafer thin in a game that already was half-starved for content. On top of that, their horrible design decisions regarding gear progression rendered a big portion of their content (namely, Vault of Glass) pointless. You could completely skip VoG and get better gear from the vendors. You simply can't afford to not keep old content relevant when you have so little new content. There's only so many times the hamster will run in that wheel before he says, "-blam!- this stupid shit, I'm going to take a nap." I personally only play PvP now the few times I'm bored enough to actually start up Destiny. Nearly everyone in my clan has stopped raiding, and they'll only log on occasionally to do a Nightfall or the Weekly Strike, or to join me in PvP. That's it. Sure, you'll see players returning for the HoW DLC because many of them already paid for it, but it will lose its appeal even more quickly than DB did if it's just more of the same pointless grinding on the same planets (especially if they reset Exotics again). What they may not realize however is that PvP is not the doorway to success for this game. There are far, far better FPS PvP games out there. I therefore agree with most of you that the majority of their focus should be on PvE. Yet the only way they are going to salvage PvE, and this game at this point, is if they dramatically increase our real estate and along with it our available activities, progress the story (in a meaningful, non-cryptic way), fix a lot more of the long-standing bugs, and stop hitting the reset button on weapons/armor so that players can actually have a more individualistic look and feel to them. The list goes on. Basically, they need to spend gobs of money to bring this game up to the level of expectations we all have for it, but I honestly don't see that happening at this point. Not if Activision shareholders have anything to say about it anyway. For me, at least, this game is going back to Gamestop the moment I have my shiny new Xbox One, and I won't be looking back.

plain & simple they have a lot of OTHERS peoples money riding on the franchise & bungie is absolutely clueless about anything other than low grade pvp games so in the false hope that they can turn this game into something better ( and more popular ) than say COD they have put all their limited efforts into the PVP end of things a huge mistake & judging from both these forums & the amount of players who will never return a fatal one shame too w/ a lot of work this game could have been everything it was advertised to be and then some

this game has the laggiestand worsepvp of alltime. theres to much lag that even weapons that shouldinsta killdont kill. "(stupid space bar work!")

They were given an unrealistic release date that's why the story is so terrible and pvp is so good they worked on pvp first then they didn't have Enuf time for the story so they'll be real easing the other parts of it as add ons

To me it is interesting that the game is heading in the PvP direction. I honestly thought for a while that they wouldn't do that as there was no way Activision would want something competing against COD for the PvP market but after the past few months it has become abundantly clear that this game is leaning more and more towards PvP. I just hope that they separate the two aspects of the game so that when they decide to nerf pulse rifles because they're too "OP" PvE players won't have to deal with the garbage again.

I'm still wondering what the Tricorn is? Who is Praedyth? Who are these characters that were so awesome they have weapons named after them but not an actual story to tell... I don't even have time to tell you why I don't have time to explain... Wtf is wrong with you bungie lol

I dont why you "pve people" care so mush for weapon balance i like a lot more pvp than this short and easy pve but i still killing crota in hard every week with my friends just for fun to the point that now i has 3 character with gear. i dont feel any change in weapons doing pve i still clearing all contend using my vanquisher i still using abyss defiant, i still loving my timur's lash and all my HC in pve. You guys are crying just because you want to cry you want to say that this game is a pve base game but the true is most of the "pvp players" also clear the game content every week