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Bungie Accidentally Fixed Trials

For those unaware, there was a loot bug this week in trials. Additional wins on a 7 win confidence card granted a 50/50 shot at an adept Shayura. The card did not have to be flawless, and you did not have to be flawless on the week to get these adept drops. You did need a flawless on the season to purchase the confidence card, so these numbers are like this even with a large chunk of the population unable to participate. We saw the most players, and most matches played, since the weekend of 10/22/2021. We're talking about more than 600,000 additional matches this weekend than the previous. Finally, even solo players had a good shot at farming Adept weapons. Sweat or casual, we all rely on a healthy player population. Remove the flawless requirement for Adept loot, and people will actually stick around in the playlist. Crazy right? Last week I played 22 matches. The week before, I played 8. This weekend I played 156 matches! I'm not even joking, I farmed ~38 Adept Shayura's. Please, for the love of all things holy, make this a feature. Stop trying to figure out a problem that you already solved. I'll see you all in IB, peace! **Edit I don't have that many flawless runs. I don't have the best stats. I didn't play much trials at all until season 14. This is all true, but I've gotten better over time and I pulled 24 flawlesses last season while racking up some sherpa medals. I've put in the time and effort, and yet I do not care if other people have an easier time getting adept weapons. I care about one thing, player population. So call me lazy, tell me that I want free loot with no work. I don't care. Come see me at the end of the season when under 200k people are playing trials over a whole weekend.

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  • Lol no. Start handing out adept pally and timelost weapons for normal strikes and vog then.

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    • Trial fix= bug that Gave easy free loot This is why the forums are seen as a joke

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      • No, Adepts should still be Locked to Flawless.

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        • [quote]For those unaware, there was a loot bug this week in trials. Additional wins on a 7 win confidence card granted a 50/50 shot at an adept Shayura. The card did not have to be flawless, and you did not have to be flawless on the week to get these adept drops. You did need a flawless on the season to purchase the confidence card, so these numbers are like this even with a large chunk of the population unable to participate. We saw the most players, and most matches played, since the weekend of 10/22/2021. We're talking about more than 600,000 additional matches this weekend than the previous. Finally, even solo players had a good shot at farming Adept weapons. Sweat or casual, we all rely on a healthy player population. Remove the flawless requirement for Adept loot, and people will actually stick around in the playlist. Crazy right? Last week I played 22 matches. The week before, I played 8. This weekend I played 156 matches! I'm not even joking, I farmed ~38 Adept Shayura's. Please, for the love of all things holy, make this a feature. Stop trying to figure out a problem that you already solved. I'll see you all in IB, peace! **Edit I don't have that many flawless runs. I don't have the best stats. I didn't play much trials at all until season 14. This is all true, but I've gotten better over time and I pulled 24 flawlesses last season while racking up some sherpa medals. I've put in the time and effort, and yet I do not care if other people have an easier time getting adept weapons. I care about one thing, player population. So call me lazy, tell me that I want free loot with no work. I don't care. Come see me at the end of the season when under 200k people are playing trials over a whole weekend.[/quote] “Remove flawless runs to get Flawless loot” (essentially what you said) That’s honestly the dumbest idea ive heard, hey look man if you run a GM and fail you should just have a 50/50 chance everytime a legendary drops to be a adept nightfall weapon

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          • You know what I find crazy? All the gatekeepers here on the forums saying “iTs A pArTiCiPaTiOn TrOpHy” will still play trials if bungie makes this a permanent thing. I mean this weeks numbers were higher than previous weeks so obviously making adept loot farmable on a confidence card like this is healthy for the game mode

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            • Edited by BraddyBo: 4/15/2022 10:07:51 AM
              If it became permanent then all the sweats and farmers would just gatekeep at 7+ wins (outside the flawless pool ALL weekend), good luck getting any wins at all during non-freelance weeks.

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              • If this bug taught me anything, it’s that drop rates for post flawless match wins are atrocious

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              • If the logic is to make the best loot available outside of the hardest activity, put adept Pali, Shadow Price, S.W.A.R.M., etc in the normal strike playlist. Stupidity

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                • Nope. They broke it. Now every Blueberry that got lucky seven times has one of the best SMG’s in the game without having to put in the work to actually earn it. But yes. Lets just give everyone the best loot that people work hard to earn. That’s fair.

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                  • No. If you want adept loot, go flawless. Otherwise Adept loot doesn’t have any thing special if just any random idiot can get adept loot. It takes the value out of it and just no. If you want the best stuff, work for it.

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                    • [quote]For those unaware, there was a loot bug this week in trials. Additional wins on a 7 win confidence card granted a 50/50 shot at an adept Shayura. The card did not have to be flawless, and you did not have to be flawless on the week to get these adept drops. You did need a flawless on the season to purchase the confidence card, so these numbers are like this even with a large chunk of the population unable to participate. We saw the most players, and most matches played, since the weekend of 10/22/2021. We're talking about more than 600,000 additional matches this weekend than the previous. Finally, even solo players had a good shot at farming Adept weapons. Sweat or casual, we all rely on a healthy player population. Remove the flawless requirement for Adept loot, and people will actually stick around in the playlist. Crazy right? Last week I played 22 matches. The week before, I played 8. This weekend I played 156 matches! I'm not even joking, I farmed ~38 Adept Shayura's. Please, for the love of all things holy, make this a feature. Stop trying to figure out a problem that you already solved. I'll see you all in IB, peace! **Edit I don't have that many flawless runs. I don't have the best stats. I didn't play much trials at all until season 14. This is all true, but I've gotten better over time and I pulled 24 flawlesses last season while racking up some sherpa medals. I've put in the time and effort, and yet I do not care if other people have an easier time getting adept weapons. I care about one thing, player population. So call me lazy, tell me that I want free loot with no work. I don't care. Come see me at the end of the season when under 200k people are playing trials over a whole weekend.[/quote] No they didn’t, give it a couple of weeks, I can guarantee it will play fine this weekend

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                    • Let’s not forget they were handing out a god rolled messenger for those of us that hadn’t reset out trials reputation yet. I grinded out 10 levels over the weekend when I wouldn’t have touched trials. Combined with the confidence card “bug” it was the perfect storm of them making top class loot available for players on both end of the spectrum

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                    • I want to agree with you... I really do, but it wouldn't be healthy for trials long term. I say this as someone who took full advantage of the glitch this weekend, and I'm not great at PvP so I benefited greatly. Truth is is you make this farmable, then by week 4 when everyone has their god rolled set of adept trials weapons the player population would vanish. It's not good for the longevity of the game mode. Also, I would be careful attributing 100% of that -blam!- increase to farming. Shayura was going to drive more people than last week's Reid's Regret, and the end of March Madness basketball likely had an impact.

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                    • Crazy how loot makes players play activities in a LOOTER shooter. Bungie is still unaware of that fact it seems. Being stingy with loot is their way to go. But hey, their tartgeted audience, streamers, play no matter what so Bungie is satisfied :)

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                      • Honestly yeah this bug alone made me actually want to play trials and I had a blast playing it. Im happy for those that went flawless last week but I’m just glad I got to play solo and still managed to get a god rolled shayuras. I wish this bug becomes a feature for those that cant go flawless every single week. For those saying whats the point of going flawless? Well going flawless is still the only way to get adept mods and ornaments so its not like going flawless is wasted. It should also be an automatic feature where going flawless is always guaranteed double loot for the rest of the week.

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                      • We've been saying it for a long time now. PEOPLE PLAY TRIALS FOR LOOT. Look what happens when you can actually farm loot in Trials. People play. Bungie has all the data. They know full well people play for loot. Igneous Hammer is released, numbers skyrocket. Reeds Regret comes in with Trials matchmaking, record breaking numbers. Shayura's Wrath farm this past weekend, numbers go up. They need to keep some form of this farm, and they need to add more than 1 weapon per season. Crucible/Trials needs incentive (loot) for people to play them. Only die hards will play Trials for "fun". More loot and more consistent ways of farming the loot is what Bungie needs to focus on.

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                        • I think if you've been Flawless in a given season, wins at 7 should have a chance to drop Adepts, Flawless or not. Or any wins in Flawless Pool for a weekend. Because Flawless is still the only way to get the Adept mods (and the best mod for PvP in Adept Icarus is locked behind here), Mementos, and more efficient grinding for Adepts are still going to incentivize Flawless, without removing the ability for fringe players to get things. I don't see it as much different than waiting for an easy GM for farming GM rewards/whatever Adept.

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                          • Even if it were just normal shayura's people would be farming for it because it's a CONSISTENT method to acquire a very strong weapon. As it stands it's kind of slow to get SPECIFICALLY what you want after your reputation gets high, so having a method to repeatedly target farm a weapon without it dragging out is nice.

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                          • I’m 100% into how it worked out. A reasonable and consistent way to obtain adept loot is how to keep the playlist populated, in my opinion.

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                          • That's a great idea, endgame loot being handed out as participation rewards. Next they should make a bounty where you can get the trials ship and sparrow for completing bounties, and turn the lighthouse into a social space! Ooooo, and while there at it, let's make it so everyone gets only God rolls and we all hold hands and sing together. O wait, I thought we were doing a thing where we posted dumb ideas to see who would agree and try to validate my reason for playing a specific game mode where I had to do as little work possible to get good rewards.

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                            • It would be nice if Adept mods would at least drop past 7 wins for those of us incapable of bashing our heads against the wall enough for Flawless.

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                            • Eh, at most I'd just have the chance to drop an Adept weapon after a win if you're currently in the Flawless Pool for that weekend. Currently, if you're only just good enough to get Flawless once per week, there isn't much reason to play after that ticket, unless you're looking to drop 250 shards per Adept I don't really care that people got a bunch of Adepts this weekend, like enjoy your loot, but it isn't exactly in line with the intent to just give them out for nothing imo

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                              • Of course bungie will fix it before the next trials weekend. But they didn't give a rats -blam!- about Xur 2 months later.

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                              • You realize that you needed to have gone flawless this season to get the required card to keep farming. This weekend offered up free adept loot for high tier players without having to go into the flawless pool. That’s also why a lot of the matches on Sunday and Monday had very high skill players in it. Bungie didn’t fix trails, they practically removed the flawless pool for the weekend on top of baiting low-skill players in with freelance. Total matches played isn’t a good metric for stuff like this.

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                                • Everyone is talking about easy Adept SMGs, but I didn't see a single person mention the God-roll Messenger that Saint was selling last week. That was the [i]real[/i] draw to play Trials, for me.

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                                  • My question is why does it have to be adept? Would you have not played if it was just normal shayuras dropping like that? I would be OK with normal weapons dropping like that allowing good farming but what is the reward for going flawless if that's the case? Ideally I think each weekend a NORMAL weapon should drop like shayuras did. Then if you go flawless it's changed into adept ones dropping instead of normals for the weekend. This way you have a reason to keep playing if you can't go flawless but also have incentive to go flawless and keep playing afterwards even if you get a loss. Right now it's typically just people that don't bother cuz they get nothing or people go flawless once then quit. Leaving only the sweats playing all weekend getting loot.

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