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Edited by CarnivalLaw:
9/28/2016 5:48:55 PM
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I'm doing my job. Now Bungie, you do yours.
I am reporting every single red bar I see in the Crucible. Yes, those on my team, too.
Now do your job, Bungie: start banning people who are repeatedly reported for bad connections. I say "repeatedly" because frankly, [i]everybody[/i] red-bars from time to time in this game. But, there are a lot of players who red-bar way too frequently to be allowed to continue to play.
Trials is coming. Iron Banner is coming. Clean it up, Bungie.
Edit: [b]We are no longer playing in a game world where you can assume that just because you have internet, you can play any online game you like. [/b]
Edit: I am not suggesting anything like a permanent ban. Something on the order of a couple of days, allowing the player to sort-out their connection issues. If, however, upon their return, they continue to receive regular bad connection reports, the bans should get longer and longer.
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Edited by Neph: 10/13/2016 6:35:27 AM[quote]Edit: I am not suggesting anything like a permanent ban. Something on the order of a couple of days, allowing the player to sort-out their connection issues. If, however, upon their return, they continue to receive regular bad connection reports, the bans should get longer and longer.[/quote] Sort out their connection issues. And how should I do that, living in the Northern Irish countryside? I can't pay for faster Internet or a better connection, as much of my data goes through quite outdated wiring - I certainly don't have physical access to any kind of fibre-optic high speed option. From my perspective, I'm often in the mid/high yellow bar, but will dip into the red from time to time. Perhaps the people I connect to in America or elsewhere see me as a consistent red bar- I don't know. Does this mean I should be banned from the game every week or so for a few days at a time?
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9 RepliesIm in New Zealand and if I play with someone in the USA chances are they will see me with a red bar at some point during a match. From my end however i have full connection and they have the red bar. One problem is skill based matchmaking which came about because salty players did not want to play against the best players in crucible. Which is stupid because the only way to get better is to play regularly against better players.
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While I agree some kind of action should be taken, I don't think banning those people is the way to go. How about an emphasis on matching red bars with other red bars? Or simply an error message stating something on the lines of "your connection is too poor to enter the crucible at this time"
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Bungie, please don't cut them off. They paid good money to play your game. Implement some sort of system that scans the network and will decide if your stable enough to get through a match. Have them be scanned until they have an average of good connections. Then when they get reported for a bad connection have them repeat the process.
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3 RepliesThe amount of ignorant morons in this thread is astounding, don't comment on things you don't understand. You can have stable internet with 100mbps download and 50mbps upload but if you're in the UK and the host of the match is in Australia, those numbers mean bugger all. For all you ignorant morons, watch this video and get it through your retarded heads https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aowuBUIX4Wk For things like videogame, you're internet upload/download speed is nowhere near as important as your ping, and a faster download/upload wont make much, if any, difference to your ping. What causes lag in Destiny is 9 times out of 10, ping. This is because the game doesn't use dedicated servers and matchmakes based on skill over connection, ultimate meaning that if you're connected to a host who's on the other side of the world you're going to lag FAR more even with the fastest internet speeds in the world that compared to a game where the host is next door.
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Ugh - [i]Butthurts Left Cheek[/i]
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3 RepliesYou have no idea about network gaming do you? I know a lot about networks as a professional and red bar is not just down to an individual. ISP, area usage, sub par equipment, buggy software/hardware, weather (hot/cold), real world maintenance etc. can impact your connection. Most of these things are beyond ur control as an end user. I am on a fiber broadband in UK and that's the best availavle im my region. Trust me, I would upgrade to anything faster if it was available. Yet I do red bar in raids or pvp and sometimes strikea because most of my friends are in US (100ms latency average from UK) so should I be banned? Bungie had other issues in matchmaking. Red bar banning is retarded solution. Yes it's possible to detect malicious network manipulation but would you pay an extra 50 per DLC to cover the cost? I don't think so...
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So when I play in Canada with my Australian friend and he red bars because Aus internet is shit, he should be punished? Yeah, no thank you.
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Or bungie could have a System that piles the red bars together and matches them up
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3 RepliesOr, maybe Bungie can take a pittance from their piles of cash and get dedicated servers. Just an idea
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Fun fact, the speed of light is not infinity metres per second. Signals take time to travel. Not everyone you get matched with is close to you. Sometimes they aren't in the same country, or even the same [i]continent[/i]. Unless you've developed faster than light internet this problem is not going to be fixed by anything other than local only matchmaking, which only serves to slow down search times.
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2 RepliesEdited by MADG33k: 9/29/2016 10:51:55 PMCarnival, we often agree on Destiny things but this time we have arrived at a divide. Banning players with red bars really is not a good long term solution to this issue because it is, for the far majority of them, not their fault. The problem is with the way the Internet is designed, which makes it super susceptible to bottleneck issues which can come and go without user intervention and all of which dynamically effect all players ping times (lag). Think of it this way, you can have the fastest car in your drive way, say one that does 200mph (low latency), and you live next to a 10 lane wide freeway (direct ISP connection to the Internet backbone) and you have a private road to the freeway on ramp (wide band ISP connection, unlike most cable connections). One afternoon you need to get to your work (10 miles down the freeway) in 15 minutes. Should be no problem, unless that freeway is I405 in Southern California, where EVERYDAY from 2pm to 7pm that Backbone is jammed full of traffic, so no matter how fast your car is and the fact that you had a private entrance to the freeway or that the freeway is wider than most others in the world, you are not going to go faster than 15 to 20mph. Now you might say that it is the persons fault for living in Southern California next to that freeway, but the truth of the matter is that when it comes to the Internet we are all living next to the 405 freeway. Part of the reason for this is that the Internet is not designed for speed, but data reliability in a network that is designed for ad hoc add on's, which is how it works. This allows the network to work reliably even with huge bottlenecks that come and go. It may not always be fast, but it works reliably. For the application of an online FPS shooter where time and bandwidth is of the essence, the current implementation of the Internet is terrible. This is one of the reasons why people are calling for private servers but in reality we will also need private backbones that run a different protocol than TCP (or UDP) across all the continents to resolve most of these issues (probably 80%, as the bottleneck problems when connecting back through the Internet will still exist). This is why I disagree with banning "red bars", because they really are not consistent and there is often nothing more they can do. Especially since Bungie does not put a priority on latency matching, rather they match games based on skill, regardless of how much there is a spread in latency times to the host server (which to make matters worse is a "peer" server).
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It's been far worse these last two days for me. Anyone else? Extreme amount of red and yellow bars. Getting annoying as hell
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Instead of banning people, why don't we go to connection based matchmaking which worked pretty well in year 1, sure there will be lag, but lag is in every game
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It's a witch hunt basically, is what you're suggesting. Find all the people with terrible internet and burn them at the stake, whilst throwing flaming iron ban hammers at them. Temporary, sure. But still, unreasonable. Bad connection is something we deal with every day in gaming, on every platform. Look at it this way. If you 1 red bar in each match you play, and everyone does as well. Let's say you and everyone else plays 10 matches a day. That's 10 red bars. Right? Okay. So, let's say 10 players saw 10 red bars every day. That's 700 red bars a week. Imagine bungie banning all those people? Even temporarily? How often would they get banned? Once a week? You think someone who gets banned once a week is gonna buy new expansions, or new sequals? Not likely one bit. To be blatent, it's more about money than it is about you, or me. Just the honest fact about it. Yeah. They listen to use sometimes. But not when it will lose them a significant amount of money, or possible profit in the future.
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5 RepliesEdited by Glyfik: 9/29/2016 6:30:18 AM"Oh, you're connection issues are a hindrance to another fellow's score. Oh, and it seems he's been reported for it several times over the course of one week. Let's ban him from playing the Crucible so that we force him to fix his network issues because clearly that will instill within him the capability to do so. That's our job after all. Make and improve our games? -blam!- that. No matter how hard we try they just expect this shit to be so easy and bash on us in any sort of way. Why? I dunno. Maybe it's entitlement? Ego? Oh well, better keep doing our jobs so that Destiny players can do their 'jobs.' After all, most of our fan-base consists of smartasses like this one. Oh wait, let's get out of our way for this one in particular. 'CarnivalLaw,' sounds like a wholesome guy[girl?]. Let's forget about the millions of others. Oh wait, that's not our job at all."
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4 RepliesEdited by Brockie: 9/29/2016 3:35:37 PMIf a lot of the players you see are red barring that does somewhat imply the issue could be on your end...
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So because I'm using my Virgin mobile hotspot I have to get ban? [spoiler]XD bump[/spoiler]
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6 RepliesAnother person who doesn't understand that everyone's internet is different. Especially around the world.
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4 RepliesNormally I like your posts bud, this one not so much. I think Bungie should have dedicated servers for their PvP modes. I don't believe banning people is really going to help the situation. They are just going to come back after their ban and do it all over again.
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1 ReplyBut that's not your job... Cringe
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totally agree.. I have started letting players know I am reporting them and I get back so many responses that it isn't there fault, they have crappy internet, bad isp, share with family on wifi or can't afford faster connections.. I don't care about those issues, they shouldnt interfere with how the game is supposed to run.. pc games have min requirments, so should console games. I run in to some of the same people red barring all the time.. reporting them for the last 6 months and nothing happens..
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4 RepliesAs someone wrote below: [b]If you can't TAKE damage, you shouldn't be allowed to DEAL damage[/b]. Regardless of the reason - finances, location - if you can't meet the minimum connection requirements, you SHOULD NOT be allowed to play online PvP. Period. Why is this even a debate? I paid the same money as the guy who says he can't afford good internet (but can afford a console and games and DLCs. LOL), and yet I am expected to simply accept that my experience should be diminished to accommodate him. I call bullshit.
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I see a lot of people arguing that their bad connection/latency issues are not their fault, and therefore they shouldn't be excluded. It really doesn't matter if it's your "fault". If you have a bad connection, you can't be allowed to play on a game that depends on good connection, because it punishes everyone else. It degrades the system for [i]all[/i] players. Let's see an analogy ... John has a seizure disorder. He was born this way, and this condition no fault of his own. John is prohibited from driving on public roads, because it creates a hazard for other drivers. John feels this is unfair, because he really likes driving, and it's very inconvenient that he can't drive himself anywhere. John didn't cause this problem, so why should he be excluded? Because it would be horrible for everyone else if he were allowed to drive, and potentially cause accidents. Although the seizures are not John's fault, it is actually the fairest solution for all involved that he be excluded. Now, I realize that's an extreme example, but it demonstrates the logic in an obvious way.
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Edited by Enderium: 9/29/2016 7:11:25 PMSince I've moved across the country, my connection status has constantly been a 'red bar'; this is due to my poor service in the area, not my attempts (or lack thereof) to cheat the system. Edit: If I get banned for my poor connection, which is out of my control, I'd probably go on a murderous spree.
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1 ReplyYou don't need to have the best to do what you love, like play a video game. Some people in this forum talk about entitlement but how ridiculous does it sound that "you must have this internet to play"... If you get that butthurt over somone killing you in a video game, you are just sad. Don't take what you have for granted. Some may not be as blessed, for everyone is fighting some kind of battle.
