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Edited by killer kouki: 12/10/2014 3:56:16 AM
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[EULA] you're screwed... too bad.

Was prompted to review the [url=http://www.bungie.net/eula]EULA[/url] when I launched Destiny just now. The agreement was last modified since August 14, 2014, so this is not new, but i read it over just to see exactly what Bungie/Activision was entitled to: [quote]Bungie may change, modify, suspend, or discontinue any aspect of the Program at any time. Bungie may also impose limits on certain features or restrict your access to parts or all of the Program without notice or liability.[/quote] So the whole DLC issue with removed weekly and nightfall is completely within their right. They can remove this feature and more if they really wanted to. Who reads these things anyway? We should just trust Bungie/Activision, right? The game is so much fun and there's nothing out there like it, right? Rationalize this all you want but rest assured you will always be at their mercy and no amount of feedback you post on these forums will make a difference. The only one way will be to uninstall Destiny, remove your account from Bungie.net and get on with your life. I'm disappointed because I really love Destiny. It was by far one of the most creative FPS games I've ever played and I will sorely miss the raid and the amazing PvP gameplay. Despite its flaws, I felt that Bungie created something really good. (I clocked a lot of time and felt I got more than my monies worth -- thank you!) But unfortunately I won't be supporting these terms and their generally bad business practices anymore. It's too stressful for me. Thanks to all of the gamers I met in Destiny and on these forums. I wish you all the best (I seriously mean this) and I hope Bungie/Activision turn a new leaf.
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#Destiny #EULA

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  • Honestly, anyone who fails to read the license agreement gets exactly what he/she deserves. As a responsible consumer, every who uses any type of software should understand the laws which govern it, respective to where in the world that person lives. One of the larger issues in the gaming community is people do not realize that by playing a game, you have entered into a contract. Feigning ignorance on the matter does not excuse the fact that you were a party to that contract. Again, depending on jurisdiction, by installing software without reading the agreement, you are doing no differently than signing a mortgage or a motor vehicle loan without reading it. It is all about protection of rights, as well as identifying liability. This is not unique to this game, Bungie (which is already an incorrect assumption, as Activision is the license grantor, as they are the distributor/publisher), any game, or any individual piece of software. License agreements have existed for as long as you have had commercially available software, and they will continue to exist for as long as software is developed and sold. What people fail to realize, mostly by grabbing out of context blurbs for the license on the forum, is that there are multiple places where your rights, as a consumer, are clearly laid out. Consumer responsibility does not end at the point of purchase, period. This community blindly pre-orders games and content without informing themselves on multiple levels. No matter how much people hate on corporations, with a lot of it being deserved, they cannot force you to make those informed decisions that consumers make in all other facets of the commercial marketplace. As it directly applies to both Nightfall and the Weekly heroic, nothing has changed. The argument is bandied about how it has been "removed", and that is just plain wrong. The feature, both technically and legally, has always cycled through content that you had a license for. Up until Tuesday, you were licensed for all content, because that is what you had paid permission to access. What has changed is that there is content for which you are not licensed for that are going to be continued to be rotated through those features. You have rightfully been locked out of those features, which continue to function, because you have not purchased a license for the content. It is, ultimately, not about what people who have not purchased the content are failing to access, but about the fact that people who have purchased that same content should be allowed to have access to it through that same feature. No company in their right mind is going to give content away that others have paid for, nor are the going to punish people who purchased it by not showcasing it. Ultimately, there is no "new leaf" to turn over. They rewarded customer loyalty, and nothing more. Your decision to not continue on the journey and make the same purchase that I did, simply should not mean that I not be rewarded for my purchase. In fact, they should continually be looking to the future of the game and focusing on the end goal, continuing to reward those who shift their own end goals to match that of the game, as a whole. I am not trying to "rationalize" it, as you put it. More factually, I have done my research before making my purchases, I did read the license agreement beforehand, and I saw nothing any different than I would see if I bought an operating system, productivity suite, or other game.

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    • whats the point of removing content people have already paid for? it kinda doesn't make sense

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    • Like others commented, almost all eulas contain such provisions nowadays. Regardless of that its worth noting that such terms have never been tested in court and while they are legally binding they do not supercede the law. Other thing that is important is that the eula is disproportionately favorable towards the company and places all responsibilities on the customer, that's something that a court might frown upon especially considering minors can buy and play the game. Depending on your local and federal consumer laws its possible that most of the terms are unenforceable. As an example the clause at the end that claim i'm subject to the laws of the state of California in regards to the EULA is unenforceable in my case since I do not live on continental US soil and our local laws expressly forbid such an abusive clause. Good try Bungie but not all your customers are ignorant of their legal rights.

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    • I call BS on your principled departure from the game. Your account shows you playing today. Another blowhard talking out of their ass.

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    • It's a legal thing so that there's no stipulation that Destiny's servers must be running until the end of time. It also allows them to iterate over the existing content. It's not a bad business practice, it's common sense. It sounds like you're overreacting. Bungie, besides providing me with content for x-hundred hours of gameplay, does not hold me at its "mercy". Perhaps the terms might change and I might see it differently.

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    • Holy -blam!-

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    • Buy. The. DLC. It's worth every penny.

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    • At the end of the day it's a means of control over the gave where an argument against any changes won't stand and if bungie or activison are serious about business then they won't want to make any changes that will affect the serious player base

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    • One DLC and all of a sudden everyone's a paralegal. Sad.

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      • The EULA agreement for almost every piece of software developed contains that language. Also the language that states you lease the content. All you own is a disc (if you bought a disc). US Circuit Court of Appeals has held that the language in both of those instances is legal and binding. None of the cases have made the Supreme Court, so as it stands everyone developer puts this in to mitigate/eliminate basically all liability from any claims against them.

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        • Guess who else does this, every time they release an expansion, major content patch, or dlc? Everyone. Everyone does this. It's nothing new, and their EULA looks identical, vice the name of the parties involved, to every other EULA I've read. Also Bungie didn't write this. Activision did.

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          • Edited by cage_gexy: 12/12/2014 8:29:08 AM
            Last night I got also a pop up to accept EULA, I declined, what now? I do not have the DLC, so in their EULA stands I may have a refund, is that right ?! Edit: Can someone help me out here, I really don´t know what my options are at the moment....

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            • Goes to prove the people bitching just didn't read. Thanks! LOL

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            • In this case this has less to do with non DLC guys missing one nightfall once every one and a half months... And more to do with things like ban hammer and updates,

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            • EULA in a court of law is void because you are forced to agree to play a game you already paid for. You need to be able to read these before purchase for them to hold up in court. Spoken out of experience

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              • Look at Apples EULA - it states that at any time whoever is in charge can bend you over and expect you to take it without so much of a fuss or whimper. In all seriousness, what you've posted is normal these days chap. Basically means they can change stuff as and when needed and you forfeit your right to object. If you don't agree, you are no longer entitled to participate so its one of those "over the barrel" phrases. Harsh but basic business.

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              • ACTIVISION

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              • At least the market is taking note that Activision is killing the goose that laid the golden egg. Stock down 15% since Destiny launch.

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                • Is is not only my last destiny game, but last Activision. Not even cod. Abour bungie? They agreed to a contract knowing what Activision will do, they too lost my respect, which barely lasted as i play on ps.

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                • to put it in a EULA doesnt mean its legal and binding, lots of them have been challenged and overturned, its just them trying it on...

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                  • The moment I saw a eula change i was like Welp this game is done for. Bring on ranbow six and the devision. Plus playing the shit out of titanfall 😀. Trier dlc left more bitter and twisted.

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                  • EULAs aren't even worth the paper it's printed on. They don't mean anything in the court of law.

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                  • Oh I read it. Santa can't come fast enough with Dragon's Age and a clear exit from playing Destiny. These forums though, way too much fun.

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                  • All I want is a Gjallarhorn.

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                  • I thought it was strange to be prompted to agree to it right there. Those clever and pesky lawyers. *tips cap to Bungie* Well played.

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