You have proven your lack of even the most basic knowledge of halo lore with your post. A: S2 project never hit hundred children. B: She never tortured or experimented on the children. Ever. C: She never made any into mindless drones or suicide missions. D: She did her damn best to make sure EVERY ONE SURVIVED. She even froze the ones who died in the hopes that they would be able to be revived someday. Please, read the lore before talking.

A: Red herring. My point still stands. B. I addressed this. Hitler didn't kill people himself, but is still responsible. C: Now you're the one lacking in knowledge of lore. D: Because she wanted more weapons to kill shit. Trying to make sure they live doesn't make up for killing, kidnapping and tortu- excuse me, subjecting to excruciating and often deadly and crippling procedures, small children. By the way, this is fiction. You're getting entirely too worked up about this.

B is talking to the false claim of Halsey personally and gleefully torturing children. Or experimenting on them. She expiramented on monkeys, then augmented the kids. C: She didn't make them mindless. As said, she absolutely refused to brainwash any of the children because if it broke, they'd turn rogue or crazy. The kids were taught from an early age. D: Halsey didn't want more weapons to kill shit. She wanted to save mankind. The bigger threat of the period was the rebels mass nuking civilians. The data and research given to her said if something DRASTIC wasn't done, humanity would be forced into a dark age and ruined. It's clearly noted that she was DELAYING the damn processes trying to make them safe. To the point where if she delayed ANY MORE, they'd kick her out and replace her with somebody who didn't give a shit about the children, like Ackerson.

Intentions and attempts to make it safer aside, the procedure only worked on a few dozen individuals. The rest were crippled or killed. I'm not saying she's an evil person that enjoys hurting others; I like how complex her character is. However, it's undeniable that the things her project did to kids were cruel and excruciating. And back to C...just look at the SIII's. The SII's were a great success, despite most of them being killed. So they made more; less expensive, easier to make, and specifically made with the intent that their missions would likely result in their death. They were, in fact, suicide soldiers.

ONI kidnapped the Spartans and were the ones who came up with the idea of using kids. Their own research from the Spartan Is and what they conducted before offering Halsey the job heading the Spartan II Program told them that using adults would not work because they were already fully developed and their bodies would reject the augmentations outright or in the cases that they did accept them, not to any significant degree that it would actually be all that useful or practical on a large scale. And both the successes and failures of the SIs developed problems due to the augments, like Johnson's Boren's Syndrome for instance. It was the plan from the beginning to use kids. The Spartans were not tortured either, why are you even saying such a stupid thing? Nor are the Spartans mindless drones or incapable of thinking for themselves, in fact, Halsey [i]deliberately[/i] avoided and left out things like brain-washing or indoctrination from the program both because it would harm their effectiveness and because Halsey valued them all as people. And most important of all, ONI created the Spartan II Program in the first place, if you're going to throw blame around, do the finger pointing at the people [i]actually[/i] responsible for it. Especially since all of the good that came out of the Spartan II Program is Halsey's doing, the Spartan IIs learned a whole hell of a lot more than how to fight (they are not limited strictly to the soldier's life, they could be [i]anything[/i] they wanted to pretty much), they had a first class education perhaps even better than anyone who's a non-Spartan would ever receive, they were treated throughout like actual human beings. Halsey knew the names of each and every one of the IIs and always referred to them by name as well as being able to recognize each and every one of them in or out of armor. Halsey also heavily tested all of the augmentations on chimps before ever going near the Spartans or any other human with them and was doing all she could to delay the augmentation process to make it as absolutely safe as possible. ONI forced her into augmenting them before she and the Spartans were ready by threatening to replace her with someone who wouldn't give two shits about the Spartans themselves and would only care about possible results. And then after some washed out (either through death or injury), Halsey worked on reviving and/or healing them, regardless of whether they'd be able to be fielded as a Spartan or not. Halsey is not the devil here, again, if you're going to be pointing fingers at all....point it in the right direction and at the people who are actually responsible.

[quote]The Spartans were not tortured either, why are you even saying such a stupid thing?[/quote] The augmentations were incredibly painful. The kids that didn't die or succeed in the program were horribly crippled. [quote]Nor are the Spartans mindless drones or incapable of thinking for themselves[/quote] They absolutely are. Obviously they still think for themselves, but they've been trained to do nothing but kill people to protect the UNSC. They were made to complete missions that nobody else could, and would likely die in the process. [quote]Halsey deliberately avoided and left out things like brain-washing or indoctrination[/quote] See above. They don't need to be strapped in front of a screen playing propaganda 12 hours a day to be indoctrinated or brainwashed.[quote] if you're going to be pointing fingers at all....point it in the right direction and at the people who are actually responsible.[/quote] I already responded to this.

Torture implies intent to hurt or cause suffering. The S-II project was not designed to make kids suffer.

No, torture implies the torturer is purposefully inflicting the pain, meaning is not accidental. They knew that the procedures were intensely painful. It was, in fact, torture.

Halsey didn't intentionally inflict pain on those children, that was not her intent. Her intent was to create supersoldiers in order to save lives, not torture kids.

Yeah, she did that all by herself. Completely.

Hitler didn't literally murder millions of people himself, did he? He and Halsey are the face of their crimes, despite not being alone in the guilt.

Big difference though is that Hitler's crimes didn't help humanity. Of course I guess Halo needs more invoking of Godwins Law I suppose.

Slavery is what made America prosper, so does that make it okay?

No, but it is still possible to enjoy the prosperity and hate slavery. What Halsey and ONI did was morally wrong, but it saved the human race. Still though, when we have ol Maggie Parangosky ending people lives on a daily basis and killing ONI agents who didn't want to abduct the S-II candidates, the criticisms against Halsey becomes rather silly. It's like Stalin calling Hitler and asshole. He's right...but it isn't like he stands on any higher ground.