I wonder, since DY wasn't always known by that name, Toland has extensive disturbing knowledge of the darkness and hive magic (like was used in thorn) And nobody knows what happened to him.
It's a Hail Mary, but I'm not sure there is evidence to the contrary.
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Edited by IQ Null: 8/28/2015 11:38:58 AMDredgen Yor was originally Jaren Ward, the owner of TLW, but passed it on to his "son"/apprentice Shin Malphur Ward later finds the Rose, and it taints him, and he realizes it is no longer a Rose but a Thorn, and becomes Dredgen Yor. Toland was a scholar from the city that had an interest in hive arcana. He performed actions that were forbidden by the city consensus and was exiled as a result. He tried at one point to make his own weapon of sorrow, which resulted in Bad Juju.