[quote]And even with its many problems was the most fun era of destiny. Funny how that works. (And just fyi you cant say an era was bad because it didnt have something we have now IE swords thats like saying the original star wars were bad because they didnt have jarjar binks.)[/quote] I'll strongly disagree. I quit the crucible for a long period in HoW. Using a scout rifle(my favorite weapon type) , or any auto rifle in PvP was just a detriment to your loadout. You couldn't use what YOU wanted to. and it's funny, they tried really hard to promote everyone using the same weapons in PvE too. Nothing will ever be as good as the fatebringer, black hammer, gjallarhorn loadout. It melted the many bullet sponges we had to deal with.

Fang was a great weapon in HoW and for me that era had the most diversity of what I could use. There were a solid 12 or so primaries that were pretty dang good. No auto rifles and only mida types and high impact scouts but there were weapons from just about every other archetype that were good. Sure now maybe you can use more than 12 weapons but they are all crap and unfun every single one of them. EDIT and they screwed up by not creating new weapons on par with that loadout

[quote]Fang was a great weapon in HoW and for me that era had the most diversity of what I could use. There were a solid 12 or so primaries that were pretty dang good. No auto rifles and only mida types and high impact scouts but there were weapons from just about every other archetype that were good. Sure now maybe you can use more than 12 weapons but they are all crap and unfun every single one of them. EDIT and they screwed up by not creating new weapons on par with that loadout[/quote] Fang killed in four shots at BEST, assuming you landed all headshots. Then look at the thorn which had the same range, killed in two shots at best, and was way faster at killing than fang could be with body shots. Back then, if you waned to be competitive, you couldn't use a scout rifle, couldn't use an auto rifle; and you couldn't use any pulse rifle archetype that wasn't high impact. Any other weapon was just shredded by the thorn and last word. I'm having way more fun now than I ever have playing PvP. Fang is still the still same exact weapon but there's no thorn that outclasses it in long range, which you know makes it viable. I find using boolean gemini, first curse, distant star, necrochasm, or really ANY primary these days being a lot of fun and even better they're way more competitive than they were in HoW. For once we have weapon diversity in PvP, although people are still scrambling to use the same weapon there's way more than this game has ever had since launch.

I could compete just fine at medium to long range with my fang against thorn. I will not rescind my statement that fang was a beast back then. Yes the big three handcannons stood at the top but so what? It wasnt a problem it was fun.

[quote]I could compete just fine at medium to long range with my fang against thorn. I will not rescind my statement that fang was a beast back then. Yes the big three handcannons stood at the top but so what? It wasnt a problem it was fun.[/quote] It wasn't fun for anyone who wasn't using the three big hand cannons. The fang kills in four headshots assuming you perfectly land every shot, while the thorn in that perfect aim killed you in two shots. Considering body shots and thorn's better in every way. You can say fang was good but you have nothing to back it up, using anything but thorn or last word was an uphill battle. It was incredibly frustrating, and you know I'd prefer to die to something other than an exotic hand cannon. Nowadays I'm happily tipping my hat to necrochasm users, people with SUROS, the first curse, etc etc.

Just my personal experience. I dont have any 2 year old clips or anything to prove it but I dont need to. All I will say is that I would never bodyshot with fang. I also dont believe having weapon diversity alone adds anything to the experience. If they removed the weapon name from your death cam it would have the same affect as people killing you with different guns. Weapon diversity can mean a couple things. 1) alot of weapons are equally good so choice becomes personal preference 2) alot of weapons are equally bad and nobody can find a good one What matters is that the weapons you hold in your hand are strong and feel good to use which because of countless nerfs I would argue is not currently true. My preference is everybody using 1 fun gun exclusively as opposed to everybody using different unfun guns.

[quote]Just my personal experience. I dont have any 2 year old clips or anything to prove it but I dont need to. All I will say is that I would never bodyshot with fang. I also dont believe having weapon diversity alone adds anything to the experience. If they removed the weapon name from your death cam it would have the same affect as people killing you with different guns. Weapon diversity can mean a couple things. 1) alot of weapons are equally good so choice becomes personal preference 2) alot of weapons are equally bad and nobody can find a good one What matters is that the weapons you hold in your hand are strong and feel good to use which because of countless nerfs I would argue is not currently true. My preference is everybody using 1 fun gun exclusively as opposed to everybody using different unfun guns.[/quote] I think it's currently true, but maybe that's because I'm using a weapon type that's never been nerf'd. Nowadays there are so many viable options compared to HoW. For once necrochasm feels GOOD to use, red deaths instant healing makes 2v1's easy, I feel weapons now feel as powerful as they should be with the exception of Low RoF auto rifles because of a nerf that happened in Y1. What you did with fang would've been five times easier and faster with the thorn, there's virtually no reason to pick it over the much more competitive and better option. And there were so few competitive options back then because they gave the biggest nerf destiny has seen to auto rifles, and gutted fusions too. There was no better loadout than the thorn and shot package matador. Weapon reforging didn't promote diversity it just gave everyone the same god rolled shotgun or mini hawkmoon.

Yes there was no reason to pick fang over thorn but I am saying you COULD and would do just fine in a game. Funny enough I know necrochasm should be purely better now but It was easier for me to headshot with it back then. Red death was better back then. It used to consistently 2 burst people. I havnt used it recently but the healing only matters if you kill which its damage and stability is kinda meh. Maybe its weaknesses are mitigated by other nerfs idk.

That's a bad comparison on Star Wars

Why? First comparison: Year 1 was bad because year 3 added swords. Year 1 was missing something that was added later therefore its bad Second comparison: A new hope was bad because a phantom menace added jar jar binks. A new hope was missing something that was added later therefore its bad. The forms and content line up perfectly. Those comparisons are identical in what they are trying to say.

Jar jar bunks doesn't make anything good tho

Thats beside the point.

That's what I'm focusing on tho

Replace jar jar with any star wars thing you like then. Its completely irrelevant.

No jar jar is garbage. [spoiler]im just fûcking with ya, I just needed to waste some time [/spoiler]