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ursprünglich gepostet in:Secular Sevens
Bearbeitet von Diplomat:
5/28/2013 5:13:02 PM
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Replace Welfare With Job Programs?
I've heard this argument before, where America should implement a New Deal-ish program that educates individuals through technical school and places them in positions to rebuild our infrastructure or deal with various needs of the government. Like the military, individuals who go through this program accept a term of service (i.e. 4 years). After that, they are free to do what they want. I think it's an interesting concept. It creates economic stimulus, promotes upward mobility, invests in human capital, and proactively deals with our crumbling infrastructure. Ironically, a lot of republicans I meet like this idea, not knowing that it takes after the New Deal (which forms the core of the modern democratic party).
Thoughts?
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The only thing is that if it were to completely replace welfare, you'd be destroying the lives of millions of single mothers that live in poverty who cannot afford that kind of schedule. I would definitely agree with a bump in these kind of work initiatives that pay much better than welfare, but in no way can welfare be eliminated (unless you want homelessness and starvation to skyrocket).
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If that is going to happen. then infrastructure is the best sector. WPA anyone? Although you cannot get rid of welfare completely unless you want people starving on the streets.
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Okay, for one they couldn't create enough jobs if they had doubled the middle management in the United States. Beyond that the minimum wage jobs in the country don't pay enough to support cost of living. Many people can only get part time jobs too. And not everyone on welfare is a leech. Some of them cannot work. Disability is a form of welfare.
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I'm all for more vocational training, but the unlying problems of the economic system still need to be fixed. To only ethical solution is to abolish capitalism. Without doing so, workers in the developed world can rely on a welfare state to adjust for exploitation, but the victims of imperialism in the developing world have no such safety net.
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I always wanted this kind of plan.
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Bearbeitet von Uncle Putin: 5/29/2013 3:35:26 AMThe New Deal was implemented in a time of great turmoil and depression. Such ideals do not work so well in a society not destroyed by a financial depression. However, I'm sure that some sort of compromise would work well, I just don't know what it would be. I like the idea of it.
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Well you see that might actually work! And we can't have competent ideas or useful schemes on this planet.
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5 AntwortenTo obtain a welfare check you [b]should[/b] a) pass a drug test, b) be working towards a job, c) meet a certain amount of pay (if your revenue (after taxes) is above a certain limit then you shouldnt get welfare checks) d) have no felony's in the past 5 years, e) have a valid id and proof of citizenship I'm ok with welfare, i understand that its needed but we need to do something about those who abuse the system
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Works fine in theory, but government always finds a way for it to cost five times as much as it should and finish twice as long as it should.
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6 AntwortenHow about freeing up education for everybody?
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People on welfare should be forced to work
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If it could work I would be happy, I hope both sides of the debate could accept it.
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3 AntwortenI'm tired of plans and solutions and programs.
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1 AntwortenLet's take America...
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10 Antworten[url=http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3677]+90% of welfare recipients already work though.[/url]
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1 AntwortenI would prefer if you replaced "Replace It" in your thread title with a blank space. :\
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But will it help the blacks, now that is the question. it wont help the people who are too stoned and lazy.
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anythings better than just throwing money at the old and poor in my opinion
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Interesting but it would require a lot of co-operation to pull this off. Have we got any like studies and reports on this ?
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Yeah I think it could work out. A new deal type thing where people are given jobs for green energy related projects would be good.
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Wouldn't it just be less potentially economically harmful to post the jobs anyway and simply select the best applicants?
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1 AntwortenHate to break it to you, but that's what a good deal of the stimulus bill was, and look how that turned out. Complete flop.
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those who aren't working on welfare now would find another way to exploit it anyway
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Would never happen. People wont even pass drug tests for welfare these days.
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3 Antworten[quote]Thoughts?[/quote] I doubt it could be worse than the current system. *Shudders at the memory of watching a fat, sweaty, back-ne studded, neck bearded man child with a shirt three sizes to small so that you could see his belly button trying to buy alcohol and cigarettes on a Food Stamp card.*
