The process is what I was explaining. The order that things are worked on was an example. It would be slightly different for each company. Read the ars technica article, it describes pretty much the same processes. The only thing people have seen on disc are the areas. So dialog, enemies, bosses, weapons, new bounties, AI, music, sound effects, armor, gameplay elements, new NPC's, new story, new crucible playlists are not on the disc that anyone has seen. There's a lot more than just a map area that makes something playable. If they launched the dlc and it was just the map areas on the disc and none of the things I mentioned above people would be pissed.

Actually enemies for the new stories are going to be the same ones youve been fighting, bungie can already unlock guns we cant get a la fate of all fools. Ai is the same as everything weve seen. Story destinations have already been shown through glitches and if that weren't enough bungie confirmed what they were and they matched up perfectly. Bungies only defense has been that the stuff is place holder. No one believes that given their ability to unlock weapons without the need for people to download patches. (Yet again fate of all fools) just like mass effect 3s multiplayer there's a small team working on dlc but its mostly balance changes and hot fixes. Everyone else has moved on to the next game.

So you really think all of these things have been on the disc and ready since launch? Base enemies will probably be the same. They might release some new models I don't know. But what about where they spawn from, the areas they patrol, how many waves will spawn in certain areas. The weapons for the DLC are probably done at this point but were they done at launch? I kinda doubt it.. Destinations have been shown yes, I stated that in the above post, but what about the story to go with those areas. Why are we going there, what are we doing there, none of this has been seen. As for the fate of all fools, do you know when it was patched in? We've had updates just about every week. They could have patched it in last week or the week before as they are getting closer to launch. This is standard practice in a lot of online games like WoW, FFXIV, etc... Would you be happy with the DLC that has been shown in the game if it was released as is? Just a new map area with nothing else in it. Or do you expect there to be more to go along with it?

The fate of all fools has been there since launch. The reason i know this is because the bounty was known about since the release of the game. It was unattainable because i believe it requires the trials of Osiris. However the info was in the bungie database. Bungie gives you patch notes detailing what is included. There is no evidence that they would stealth patch in a gun. As for everything else destiny has been in development for 4 years. I dont understand why it's so hard to realize that all this dlc is finished with assets already on disc. With mass effect 3 the team didnt start working towards 4 till a year after 3 released but even then their developers that talked to us on the forums specified that at most it was a skeleton crew. Dlc that is obviously planned as is the case here also was finished but received tweaks. Why do you think they just built maps and said thats enough of that? Bungie also stated that were not getting anymore cut scenes. They said they're telling the story a different way. So why do you think theres a wealth of content to be worked on?

Interview with Harold Ryan, President of Bungie and Eurogamer.net. [url]http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-10-29-destinys-first-expansion-the-dark-below-takes-aim-at-story-criticism[/url] [quote]I'm sure you sure the recent leaks with players able to see a lot of this planned content already in the game. Based on what you've told me, a lot of that doesn't seem to be in The Dark Below. Harold Ryan: There's a bunch of shared-world content we've shipped on the disc specifically to limit download sizes for people. Both inside the US and all over the world, how much you download on your local home internet connection can be a problem, and even how much storage space it takes up on your console. So we share a lot of assets across all the activities in the game. When people get into areas that aren't unlocked right now, they're seeing pieces we built and shipped ahead of time, but they're by no means the finished experiences or even the finished content. But when we can get into these areas already and see this content, there's a feeling at the content is finished, cut and saved for DLC. Harold Ryan: No. Eris and her story were built over the last three months, long after the game was done. For example for The Dark Below, that included the activities and the bosses and all of the polish of it.[/quote] To humor your point of view, lets' say everything is on the disc 100% from launch. This does not change the fact that the license you bought for $60 does not include that content. This is all clearly stated in Bungie's EULA. Why would anyone expect to get access to that content without paying for that content? When you buy a disc you do not own the game, you own a license to access the software on the disc. The access you are provided is described in the EULA for the software. If the software company wants to put content on the disc and lock it off then they have every right to do so as they own the software. This still does not change my main argument that the content is not 100% on the disc and that even if it was no one owns a license for that content and Bungie can sell the access in the DLC. The order that the content is created is irrelevant and not the main point of the OP. You never did state whether you thought it was 100% all on the disc, you instead said Fate of All Fools was on the disc. Do you actually believe that 100% of the DLC is on the disc? If you do then when the DLC actually comes out we can look at the patche notes and file sizes to determine if that is accurate. If everything is on the disc then all the patches would be small and the actually DLC unlock woud be tiny. We don't really have to wait that long though because since launch the database has been updated with new items for the DLC. [url]http://www.destinydb.com/items/1898281764-willbreakers-watch#1.MzNjVeq8[/url] This particular item is in the database as a placeholder and isn't complete yet. There's no 3d model there are placeholder perks that will apply towards the raid but currently are setup as anti-oracle buffs. When the list of items first leaked on reddit in October, none of them had 3d models available, but after a month and a few patches later some of them now have 3d models. Some still look partially done like this one: [url]http://www.destinydb.com/items/1462595581-willbreakers-fists#1.McXlSyI8[/url] Everything that has been said by Bungie and what has been shown by the glitches and looking at the DB point to the fact that the DLC is not 100% on the disc. If you would like to provide any proof that everything is 100% on the disc I would be more than happy to look at it.

No I've never said every single thing is on disc. Your interview proves what exactly? Why would anyone at bungie say they finished everything and are piece selling it back to you? The one thing you're right about is that we will see when its actually out but i imagine their excuse then will be it's small because we had place holdercontent. Whats really left for them to give us. Enemies, map, animations, missions have all been discovered.

So according to you if they say it's on the disc then it proves your point it's on the disc. If they say it's not on the disc then they are lying and it proves your point. This is how conspiracy theories work. If your theory were wrong what would it look like? How would you prove your theory wrong and what proof would you accept? [quote] Whats really left for them to give us[/quote] See my first and second reply to you where I list everything that has not been seen in the game.