Imagine a Company that will ban you in and on forums for tos if you speak of or discuss cheats by name but do nothing if you use those same and other cheat devices in game. Do you really take that company seriously? Do you really take their game seriously?

[quote]why does Bungie go out of their way to avoid the cheating issues in their game when it comes to PvP?[/quote]They don't avoid it. You're just not paying attention.

[quote]I appreciate the new changes for PvP but why does Bungie go out of their way to avoid the cheating issues in their game when it comes to PvP? They can do everything else BUT address the cheating issues that plague this game and NEVER address them which is not healthy in the overall outcome. The blatant cheating of mod pack users who get away with using M&K on console has become a serious issue but still no word from Bungie on this issue, not even a peep. As players we should expect a certain protection from this and rightly so since we pay one of the most expensive fees to get seasonal content not to mention one of the absolutely absurd fees for cosmetic items that most other games give for free as appreciation for just taking time to play their games. Destiny is probably the most unique PvP experience that you will ever get to play but for some reason Bungie refuses to protect you as a player from cheating. You can watch these cowards constantly cheat every weekend in Trials or in comp without repercussions while apparently PvE has a very strict get banned for life instantly policy. Where is the protection from this for us from the continuous cheating? Why are these players not permanently removed from the game, their PC’s or consoles not completely banned? Why are the gamer tags not plastered all over to give players a heads up of who they are? It’s almost like Bungie promotes it by not doing anything while claiming they do but in the process not doing anything at all. I hate to say it but by doing nothing Bungie has not only alienated their core base of PvP players but encouraged cheaters to ruin the experience by not taking action. Battle Eye was supposed to be the end of cheaters but instead has proven to do nothing more than be a good excuse or even a really bad excuse because cheating is not only the reason players don’t play PvP but run from it. I really hope I’m wrong about everything I’ve written but the lack of acknowledgment from Bungie on this subject doesn’t help. The makers of the mod packs not only violate Bungie’s term of service by allowing the functionality they provide but cheapen the experience of those of us who want fair games so where are the lawsuits from Bungie against them? Until Bungie acknowledges this issue and shows they take it seriously I’m going to continue to think they have no intention of caring about it because to be honest I don’t think they do.[/quote] Console players face cheaters that appear to be console players but are not. There are cheat packages out there that rely on screen data and pixel colors to auto aim for you, track targets for you, fire automatically for you. No memory editing or injection code required. There are players with hardware bypasses and bypasses deeper then kernel level that even anti cheat software cant catch. But there is one thing cheaters cant change..... That is their method of playing while cheats are active. This method has been mapped by ai and each cheater given a digital fingerprint so to say.. these cheaters will be banned across all accounts that bare the fingerprint of their metric playstyle.

Do you really think Bungie developers, testers, and their pay 2 win teams would be able to control the matches without cheating? Lol there is not a single PvP game in existence without cheaters. The random throttling of our gameplay is the worst culprit in this game.

Because it boosts their numbers

Because they dont really care. Hell they didnt start caring about PvP till January.

[quote]I appreciate the new changes for PvP but why does Bungie go out of their way to avoid the cheating issues in their game when it comes to PvP? They can do everything else BUT address the cheating issues that plague this game and NEVER address them which is not healthy in the overall outcome. The blatant cheating of mod pack users who get away with using M&K on console has become a serious issue but still no word from Bungie on this issue, not even a peep. As players we should expect a certain protection from this and rightly so since we pay one of the most expensive fees to get seasonal content not to mention one of the absolutely absurd fees for cosmetic items that most other games give for free as appreciation for just taking time to play their games. Destiny is probably the most unique PvP experience that you will ever get to play but for some reason Bungie refuses to protect you as a player from cheating. You can watch these cowards constantly cheat every weekend in Trials or in comp without repercussions while apparently PvE has a very strict get banned for life instantly policy. Where is the protection from this for us from the continuous cheating? Why are these players not permanently removed from the game, their PC’s or consoles not completely banned? Why are the gamer tags not plastered all over to give players a heads up of who they are? It’s almost like Bungie promotes it by not doing anything while claiming they do but in the process not doing anything at all. I hate to say it but by doing nothing Bungie has not only alienated their core base of PvP players but encouraged cheaters to ruin the experience by not taking action. Battle Eye was supposed to be the end of cheaters but instead has proven to do nothing more than be a good excuse or even a really bad excuse because cheating is not only the reason players don’t play PvP but run from it. I really hope I’m wrong about everything I’ve written but the lack of acknowledgment from Bungie on this subject doesn’t help. The makers of the mod packs not only violate Bungie’s term of service by allowing the functionality they provide but cheapen the experience of those of us who want fair games so where are the lawsuits from Bungie against them? Until Bungie acknowledges this issue and shows they take it seriously I’m going to continue to think they have no intention of caring about it because to be honest I don’t think they do.[/quote] Destiny is definitely not the most unique PvP experience lol Anyways the reason they dont is because the war against cheats will never end, do you really think that a game will never have any cheats ever? The whole reason Anti-Cheats are kernel level is because cheats are that deep and most people hate on anti-cheats that go that deep and try to boycott games that launch with them. But of course cheats will always keep advancing its a cat and mouse game and technically cheats will always be ahead. So there’s ultimately no point in talking about it because what do you expect? Them to say “we are finally removing all cheaters” It wont happen ever there is no point staying quiet is better since atleast cheaters wont know their plans going foward.

The same reason they ban people for mentioning cheating issue in this forum, steamcommunity, and twitter, it's not about stopping people from hacking, they can't do that in 7 years they never will, it's about censoring the people who raise it, if you can't fix the issue, fix the guy who talk about it

I stopped playing PvP. Bungie struggles with many things in the mode which has makes it a bad experience. I may try the new changes to PvP but honestly they have lost my interest as I know they struggle bringing a healthy balanced mode. Incompetent shareholders and senior leadership have gotten us to where we are at.

[quote]I really hope I’m wrong about everything I’ve written[/quote] Yeah, and the truth has been repeated so many times and all the information you need is available online, so clearly at this point this is the opinion you want to have.

They cant really ban 3rd party devices at this point in time because it would severely impact player population. That would possible force a Sony take over. 29k active players on steam lets round it to 30k. Multiply it by 3 for xbox and playstation. 90k total between all platforms. Lets also conservatively we assume 5% of the player base is using program cheats(aimbot & wall hack) and net limiter shenanigans, then 10% are on 3rd party devices. Again these are conservative numbers & are likely alittle higher in reality(by 2-5%). The over all player base drops from 90k to 765000 players. The console player base will drop to 51k from 60k. The steam population goes to 25500 from 30k. Its simple Bungie CANT ban these users because they need them so they don't default on their Sony contract that would force a take over. The player population needs to recover before they take any action.

It’s a shame, I reported someone who was extremely blatantly a recov or cheater (first season playing, first season Trials history, 4.0 KD) and they’re still around…

Giving significant mention of how they are addressing the cheating problem gives us information, which is good, but it also gives the cheaters information. They've explained this before. The more they tell us, the easier it is to build cheats that get around whatever anti cheat exists. The best thing they can do is not tell us what they're doing.

Whats the point of addressing cheating when they obviously dont care about it?

And it would be really helpful if Bungie restricted player names to English. In my region (Oceania) at the end of a game it's hard to report a player when you can't tell who is who. Cheating here is rampant and it's jokingly obvious. This game is at the point of being not worth playing, and for those of us that have spent good money on all the DLCs, it's a rip off !

Why would there be ….there is no security team so cheating is here to stay ….for now .

Has everyone already forgotten their security team was laid off? Of course cheating is going to become rampant. There is hardly anyone looking at it now.