[quote]I wouldn't hold the Traveler responsible for the Witness' actions, or those of its people[/quote] It gave the people (that are now an amalgam of the Witness) their golden age, if the Traveler would have simply left as soon as they made the discovery in the sands [quote]Besides, a timeline without the Traveler, Veil, or paracausal forces would be doomed if the Vex are still present within it[/quote] Well technically no because withoyt the Witness (and the Veil too) telling the Sol Divisive to replicate the Veil, they wouldn't have turned to darkness, if the only thing that were around was the Traveler then they'd be worshiping her and have had their own golden age maybe, think about it, no Hive either so they would've never made Quria when they tried invading Oryx's throne world after Crota did an oopsies. [quote] I doubt Savathun is looking for a place where everything involving the Witness' species never happened[/quote]. Sav cursing the dreaming city and the loop was told to us as being her trying to get to tge distributary, but in the prior season with Eris she had the Imbaru Engine which made that prior plan pointless, her biggest goal is to essentially escape their reality (into our own, as she has broke the 4th wall more than once, she knows about how WE are real.. Even the Ahamkara have done it too, once or twice break the 4th wall) [quote]Also, Elsie's time loop doesn't work the way you think it does. She's not "replacing" the Elsie of our timeline[/quote] I didn't say she replaced ours, she came from her own timeline where everything went horrible, she even had to put us down because we turned to darkness, had her sis kill Mara because Ana turned evil too, Eris was the one leading the Hive, Drifter dead frozen in the DSC, etc. The only thing i said about the Elsie of OUR timeline here is that she's dead (or missing), read the lore tab for NTTE, in it she and old man Clovis (doesn't say when this happens though, but probably near the same time as wgen Banshee was initially the Clovis copy put in an exo, as theres three seperate ones, old man Clovis, Clovis' mind copy in AI form for DSC security AND the one thats Banshee) had been going to varying timelines to retrieve the weapon, the one in the lore tab reads that Clovis came across her own corpse frozen on Europa probably fought during the collapse (while Ana died in her research lab), which would indicate that Elsie was the one from our timeline (further plausible reason why DSC weapons all have the Bray family names with -1, example Wilhelmina-1, Alton-1, etc on them meaning in this timeline Clovis either made exos out of all of them most likely or intended to by producing their very own empty ready to be used exo frame and just commemorated their names on weapons, one of them has Ana-1 on it) [quote]and later the story simply established that Ana Bray faked her death at Twilight Gap (not some timeline shenanigans).[/quote] Yeah its still retcon garbage just like they did rasputin putting him on mars despite in D1 each planet having a Warmind and taking control of Charlemagne (on Mars) directly from Earth after we had put his systems back online prior in a mission way back [quote]As far as the game and story are concerned, we're in the timeline where the Witness is finally defeated, after past timelines Elsie lived through ended with us being corrupted by Darkness. [/quote] Elsie's been in the loop , neverending, but a few two seasons ago with Rasputin she can't predict events because her cutoff point was that, in any timeline it's as far as she went (aside from those where she went to the city and a pyramid ship was where the traveler should be, one timeline she went to there were no hive on the moon, another she went to we were never ressurrected lol which is funny but scary.. one timeline she says we didn't make it out alive from facing the hive down below , hence why she tells is in vanilla D1 to go see her on Venus if we manage to make it out alive, which we did and she was surprised by it so. Elsie did a lot time jumps, saw a lotta timelines, iirc bungue did do a cutacene of her pov in her own timeline where things went reeeeal bad fast) [quote]NOTE: As are as Ley Lines are concerned, they are paracausal pathways that can act as shortcuts across the material realm through the Asecendant Plane[/quote] Well seeing as the AP is just another parallel dimension i'd say it's sameish, slightly different that the Garden though but a bit sameish [quote]The Last Wish allowed Riven to weave the Ley Lines into the portal to the Pale Heart. I doubt they could be used to travel to parallel reality/alternate timelines, nor would I use comparisons to other series to try and understand how they work in Destiny 2.[/quote] Well seeing as wherever the portal goes sure ain't in our own time and space i'd say it is a seperate reality/dimension where all of time, start and end, converges (see grimoire card of the guardian that tried entering the portal, we even got a cutscene too)

About the Travellers time loop power, my guess is that everytime the Traveller does it that timeline gets yeeted, like branches off a tree being torn one by one, sooner or later it would land on either one where things go okayish or onto the true main timeline (as the exotic weapon title suggests, Worldline Zero, as in ours is the true main timeline, exotic lore card also says that Elsie wiped her computer clean but only the schematic for this Vex tech made weapon remains due to it existing at all times in all timelines). Now ever since Elsie told Osiris that she's never gotten this far in all timelines she's been (and her own too, that one is mad tragic) so i guess safe to say ours might be the main (being worldline # 0)