Melee doesn't cost ammo. That is all.

Honestly... i do not feel like perks actually matters on glaives. The shooting is just there when you want to charge the shield or to stun something allowing you to get close... But besides that shooting doesnt feel great, doesnt deal good damage, and travel time is horrible. Even acolytes manages to dodge. Most of the time you have to shoot at close range to land your hits..but at this point..just melee. Combined with the way the shield, the perks works.. Glaives could use a good rework, and the people who designed those should probably stay away from game design for a while.

Perks like rampage & kill clip are meant to proc from you shooting the glaive. Honestly bud I'm having a blast using my grave robber surrounded lubraes ruin with a surrounded spec... absolutely destroys everything around me. I want one with grave & swashbuckler to see which set of perks I prefer

They don’t want you to be able to spam the melee with swashbuckler active even when you’re out of ammo. If you want the perks to be active on the melee, you either need the weapons (or just the perks) to not be useable when out of ammo. Right now they’re just shotguns that are better at ad clear and have a really strong shield. (To the point that one of my enigmas and probably one of my Lubraes is going to be solely guard based).

Get the Glaive from Vow with swashbuckler. It starts with a 5x after a melee kill

I wish instead of trying to be a stabby umbrella I wish they had laid way more heavily into the melee side of it. I really want to play like a dragoon with this thing, running in and stabbing through things, jumping up into the air and doing a powerful downward thrust I mean it is okay for areal combat but I feel like all the classes need a dive ability and the glaive would have been a good way to grant it. The reason it doesn't generate wells or orbs is because it would grant devour, font of might, void explosions, etc. If the glaive worked the way it makes sense for it to work people would have had way too much fun with it and it would have ruined their precious balance. That's why rampage and most of the other perks do not work.... After this season is over and suppressive glaive goes away (or becomes a ten energy mod) they're going to have to change how the weapons work because without supression, glaive just isn't going to withstand the test of time as it is now. If my options were a weapon that does not have any ranged attacks but is a monster at close quarters, or a weapon that is mediocre at both long and close range, I'd rather the close range dominator, maybe killing enemies builds up energy that you can use to unleash a powerful attack but what it is now just doesn't work. I mean. I just got the hunter exotic glaive........... And it doesn't do anything that the trinity ghoul doesn't do 300x better with infinite ammo.

They need a damage buff to the melee and ranged attack. They can barely do anything to yellow/orange bars on hero nightfalls or legend campaign. They're trash and it doesn't help that there aren't any other special weapons with champion mods so you're either running double primaries or you're using that glaive. Ugh.

I think that's the point They didn't want to make them a weapon with income ammo that benefits perk I think it wouldn't been an issue if they choice the perk pool a bit better on it

I’m really not a fan of them in pvp or pve, just doesn’t fit a role the game needed but I don’t understand how a melee weapon deals less melee damage then a fist